Ft. Dix 5 GUILTY!!

[03_SHOOTER]

5 Men Found Guilty of Plotting to Kill Fort Dix Soldiers

Monday, December 22, 2008

Associated Press

CAMDEN, N.J. — Five Muslim immigrants were convicted Monday of plotting to massacre U.S. soldiers at Fort Dix in a case that tested the FBI's post-Sept. 11 strategy of infiltrating and breaking up terrorist conspiracies in their earliest stages.

The men could get life in prison when they are sentenced in April.

The five, who lived in and around Philadelphia for years, were found guilty of conspiring to kill U.S. military personnel. But they were acquitted of attempted murder, after prosecutors acknowledged the men were probably months away from an attack and did not necessarily have a specific plan. Four defendants were also convicted of weapons charges.

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The federal jury deliberated for 38 hours over six days.

The government said after the arrests in 2007 that case underscored the dangers of terrorist plots hatched on U.S. soil. Although investigators said the conspirators were inspired by Usama bin Laden, they were not accused of any ties to foreign terror groups.

Defense lawyers argued that the alleged plot was all talk — that the men weren't seriously planning anything and that they were manipulated and goaded by two paid FBI informants.

Faten Shnewer, the mother of defendant Mohamad Shnewer, said the informants should be the ones in jail. "Not my son and his friends. It's not right, it's not justice," she said after the verdict. The government "sent somebody to push him to say something; that's it."

Convicted were: Shnewer, a Jordanian-born cab driver; Turkish-born convenience store clerk Serdar Tatar; and brothers Dritan, Eljvir and Shain Duka, ethnic Albanians from the former Yugoslavia, who had a roofing business. A sixth man arrested and charged only with gun offenses pleaded guilty earlier.

"These criminals had the capacity and had done preparations to do serious and grievous harm to members of our military," Ralph Marra, the acting U.S. attorney for New Jersey, said after the verdict.

But some Muslim leaders in New Jersey disputed that.

"I don't think they actually mean to do anything," said Mohamed Younes, president of the American Muslim Union. "I think they were acting stupid, like they thought the whole thing was a joke."

Jim Sues, executive director of the New Jersey chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said: "Many people in the Muslim community will see this as a case of entrapment. From what I saw, there was a significant role played by the government informant."

The yearlong investigation began after a clerk at a Circuit City store told the FBI that some customers had asked him to transfer onto DVD some video footage of them firing assault weapons and screaming about jihad.

The FBI asked two informants — both foreign-born men who entered the U.S. illegally and had criminal records — to befriend the suspects. Both informants were paid and were offered help obtaining legal resident status.

During the eight-week trial, the government relied heavily on information gathered by the informants, who secretly recorded hundreds of conversations.

Prosecutors said the men bought several assault rifles supplied by the FBI and that they trekked to Pennsylvania's Pocono Mountains to practice their shooting. The government also presented dozens of jihadist speeches and videos that the men supposedly used as inspiration.

According to prosecutors, the group chose the Army post because one of the defendants was familiar with it. His father's pizza shop delivered to the New Jersey base, which is 25 miles from Philadelphia and used primarily to train reservists for duty in Iraq.

The group's objective was to kill "as many American soldiers as possible," prosecutors said.

But the men's lawyers attacked the credibility of the informants and accused them of instigating the plot.

After the verdict, Schnewer's attorney, Rocco Cipparone, said there would not have been a conspiracy without the involvement of the informants. "I believe they shaped the evidence," he said.

Prosecutor William Fitzpatrick defended the government's handling of the case, telling the jury: "The FBI investigates crime on the front end. They don't want to have to do it on the back end."

Members of the jury would not speak to reporters after the verdict and instead released a statement that said, in part, "This has been one of the most difficult things that we have ever had to do."

None of the defendants testified.

The government said after the men's arrest that an attack was imminent, though prosecutors backed off that assertion at the trial.

The government has had a mixed record on terrorism prosecutions since Sept. 11. It won guilty pleas from Sept. 11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui; Richard Reid, who tried to blow up a trans-Atlantic jetliner with a shoe bomb; and the Lackawanna Six, a terrorist cell outside Buffalo, N.Y. And it convicted Jose Padilla of plotting terrorist attacks.

But a case against four men in Michigan fell apart after a federal prosecutor was accused of withholding evidence. And a case in Miami against seven men accused of plotting to blow up Chicago's Sears Tower has produced one acquittal and two mistrials.

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Let the wailing, crying, and gnashing of teeth commence. Anybody taking bets on how long before the Liberals start screeching that the only reason they were found guilty is because they're Muzzies, or "foreigners", or whatever other "special group" they want to use as an excuse since, of course, this is all nothing "racism" against the "peace loving" Muslim people.

[SlightlyCatholic]

Well, they can't go to Guantanamo...'Bama Boy is closing it. Should we bring back slave ships and make them row their way home? Or is that considered torture?

[JohnP]

Originally Posted by Seminarian_Tim

Should we bring back slave ships and make them row their way home?

Out of the mouths of babes....

That is one of the best ideas I've heard in a long time. Look at the money that will be saved on gas alone!

One note, I'm not a historian, but I don't think slave ships used oars to get here. But you're thinking "outside the box."

[SlightlyCatholic]

One note, I'm not a historian, but I don't think slave ships used oars to get here. But you're thinking "outside the box."

Thanks for the compliment. In regards to the historical accuracy of slave ships, I was talking about the ancient slave ships. The Greeks had triremes that were sometimes crewed with slaves to man the oars, hence their being termed "slave ships". I apologize for not clarifying that before.

[HairyEyeball]

Caveat: Any and all information I have is at best second-hand, but - and with no 'liberal credentials' to be exposed - the way this has been presented does raise some troubling questions: This has the vague scent of 'thought crime'. How many of us have spoken about 'the kit': One rope, one tree, one named politician, some assembly required? Could that be someday construed as a 'threat' against that individual and used to persecute us?

I don't know what evidence was presented, or what the facts may be - I just hope the conviction was, indeed, based on fact.

[Woody]

Or next time a stranger buys you a beer and listens to your ideas how to fix
the government you could be in trouble .They could be guilty as sin or they could have been dragged into it .Difficult to tell grab them too soon and its difficult prove .Too late and you risk plot succeding .

[StarLifter]

Maybe we could have a little bit of irony, and put them in the federal prison on Ft Dix? I mean, they worked so hard to get on the base, might as well put them there.

I life about 30 - 40 minutes from Ft. Dix/McGuire AFB. Very nice bases, both, though I had noticed, at least prior to 11 September, that it seemed the AFB was a lot tighter on security than Ft. Dix. I'm assuming (I know, dangerous words there) that things have changed, at least recently.

-- StarLifter