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1) If domestic charges can't be brought against the defendants, then what law are they under? As far as I know, they're not under the jurisdiction of the UCMJ either. 2) How responsible is the U.S. for the actions of these men (if they are indeed found guilty)? Are contractors basically mercenaries who are completely separate from military forces or are they actively issued orders from military commanders? Who do they really report to, if anyone? 3) I see a potentially large problem with this getting out into the international arena because it makes us seem like our military isn't strong enough on its own and we need what basically amounts to mercenaries to augment the fight. I'm not saying this is true by any means, but for many people appearances are no different from the truth (as they have no real access to the latter). Does it hurt our reputation as a nation to have these contractors indicted?
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To my understanding, Blackwater was under contract to the State Department to provide PPD (personal protection detail) for US contractors and dignitaries, so no, they are not operating under the DoD.
As far as this particular case is concerned, it's essentially a "he said, she said" situation where the Blackwater people are saying they were fired upon, and returned fire in self-defense, and the other side is claiming that they simply "went berserk" and started shooting for no reason. Last edited by 03_SHOOTER; 12-09-2008 at 03:50 PM. |
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These men came under a different set of rules for their ROE. (Changing this January with the new SOFA.) If it was a bad shoot, it was a bad shoot and the men should face penalties for it. If it was a good shoot, then they should be aquitted. Tim - the United States, by all means should handle this case. If it is above the board and with no hidden agendas, will exonerate the US as a nation of rules, laws and justice.
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http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/20071001121609.pdf
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Tim - since the commonly accepted definition of mercenary is "one serving merely for pay or sordid advantage", I really take offense to that word being used to describe Blackwater contractors. Maybe you should do a little research about the kind of men who work for Blackwater. The Washington Post article below might give you some insight:
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The findings are certainly very informative. Thank you for the link.
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txb&b- the word "mercenary" was used in an interrogative sentence in my original post for the sole purpose of getting the opinions of those of you "in the know". I was not making any sort of judgment either way as the mercenary nature of Blackwater, I was merely probing the possibility therein pending verification by the "BTDT" personnel here. Please do not be offended, as I would never attempt to degrade or undermine anyone's service to the United States. I would like to thank you for your informative response and the information you provided for the benefit of myself and the other members of the forum.
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Wouldn't the MEJA laws apply? They were expanded in 2005 to include employees of any Federal agency supporting the mission of the Department of Defense overseas, and in 2007 the bill to expand them to include
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MEJA - http://www.pubklaw.com/hi/pl106-523.pdf US Code - http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C212.txt
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First car they hit killing 3 civillians was considered a justified shooting under their rules of engagement .The rest were not even by their rules .Its lucky they are not facing an Iraq court.
The whole contractor business is very dodgy .Some are brave and honurable others are muppets . |
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