AFJROTC: Position > Rank????? Is this even right?

[DVA5259]

Ok this is one of the biggest issues at my AFJROTC Unit.
I was given pushups by a C/1LT. under her Drill Team position. While me, I have worked as hard as anyone else to obtain my rank of C/CAPT.
She is also my FLT CC. I have always been higher than her at everything for the past 2 years, now this year; my junior year I've been given no major position.

So thing I want someone to clarify for me, is someone elses position greater than your rank?

It doesn't seem correct to be given pushups when the person who gave them to you in the first place is one rank or 2 ranks under yours.

Help is appreciated....

[army_grunt_11B]

Position is everything.
Say you have two MSGTs, same TIS, and TIG, but one is the wing 1st SGT, and the other is just a no job, msgt. The 1SGT would out rank, and be able to "boss" the other msgt around.

So on your drill team, since the C/2LT is the "Boss" you have to follow her, and help her out as much as possible, as you never know, your sasi might have not given you a job for a reason, and that reason could be they want you to be free so you can take over the corp. You never know why people do things, until they unfold over time. Don't get mad, just stick it in and do what ever you can to help everybody.

[TruBlu]

OK there are a few things going on that need to change.

1. In the AFJROTC program, no cadet, or instructor for that matter, is allowed to "drop" another cadet as a form of reprimand. Sorry, I don't have an official source on this, only quite a few cadet handbooks (we've had a discussion on this board about this topic) and personal knowledge. I am still trying to attain an official document, but haven't yet been able to locate it. So the "El Tee" can't drop you, or anyone else, anyways.

2. The deal with rank and position is a sort of limbo. Generally speaking, rank comes with position, so situations like this don't occur. But they do occur, and you have to know when you can speak up or just take a back seat. If someone is appointed above you and their rank is lower, you have to deal with it, that's just how it works sometimes. In business where said person may fall under you, they report to you.

3. This is something with you on here that we are strict about, rank abbreviations. You've got an Army/AF combination thing going on there. Check out this thread for the proper ones: http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/...+abbreviations.

[army_grunt_11B]

Originally Posted by TruBlu

OK there are a few things going on that need to change.
3. This is something with you on here that we are strict about, rank abbreviations. You've got an Army/AF combination thing going on there. Check out this thread for the proper ones: http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/...+abbreviations.

Was that directed towards me?

[TruBlu]

Originally Posted by army_grunt_11B

Was that directed towards me?

No, I was referring to the author of the thread. I wouldn't expect you, not to say you don't, to have full knowledge of Air Force Cadet rank abbreviations, but the good cadet should.

[DVA5259]

Ok thank you everyone.
I will rely this information to my AFJROTC Unit.

As for the rank abbreviations, sorry. I'll remember for next time.

[AirPower3P0X1]

An example from the Air Force: In technical training, most Airmen are E-1, E-2, or E-3. One of my team's Airmen Leaders is an E-1. I'm an E-3. I have to listen to him because he is in a higher leadership position. He's a squad leader, I'm a fire team leader.

[OrienteeringOH]

I've run into some similar situations. I'm a junior this year and had been serving as the Operations Officer. Recently, the Squadron Vice-Commander was removed from his position because of his conduct towards a teacher, so the SASI gave me his position. It was out of the ordinary as the CC/Vice positions were reserved exclusively for seniors. I was promoted to C/Capt. which put me in front of all of the AS IV Cadets, with the exception of the Squadron Commander (C/Maj.) The Drill Team commander, who is an AS-IV is also A C/Capt. and he who is in his fourth year, feels that because of that fact he ranks up over me. Last time I checked Squadron > Drill.

[armysc_25b]

Originally Posted by OrienteeringOH

The Drill Team commander, who is an AS-IV is also A C/Capt. and he who is in his fourth year, feels that because of that fact he ranks up over me. Last time I checked Squadron > Drill.

He would still be your senior though. For those who hold the same rank, whomever has had the rank longer (AKA Time In Grade) is the senior.

[OrienteeringOH]

So what happens when the result of the promotion board come out tomorrow and we both become C/Majors at the same time?.