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11-18-2008, 10:17 PM
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Don't ask, Don't tell
Apparently, Mr. Obama seeks to disband this policy.
Personally, I think the policy is quite stupid in the regards that it shouldn't matter what sexuality someone is, as long as they wish to protect their country. What do you cadets think?
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11-19-2008, 09:50 AM
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11-19-2008, 09:58 AM
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How would you be able to tell the benefits or disadvantages of working with someone who is homosexual if someone who is homosexual is unable to display any traits of being so or else they're discharged?
Wouldn't it be just like everyone being straight? No basis for comparison, right? Without people being able to be openly homosexual in the military, you will never know what the real impact is on the esprit de corps or working relationships.
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11-19-2008, 10:08 AM
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What I'm talking about is the "BTDT" experience to discern IF knowing someone's orientation would be a problem. For example, I have no infantry experience but many on the forum do. What I'm wondering is for those that DO have the experience is if it would be a legitimate problem to know that your "battle buddy" might have a crush on you. I would tend to say yes because any fraternity loses its solidarity the minute that internal sexual attraction is injected into the group. However, again, I haven't BTDT. Also, someone not announcing their homosexuality doesn't diminish the identification of said homosexuality by astute members who work with the individual on a daily basis. Not all gay people are world class actors, and many times when people come out the response isn't shocked surprise but rather, "Yeah, we kinda figured that." " I don't ask, you don't tell" doesn't always mean "I don't know".
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11-19-2008, 10:24 AM
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You also neglect to consider that your "battle buddy" or co-worker might be a member of the opposite sex, in which sexual attraction is more likely. Does this not diminish the solidarity of a group? I would still argue that the knowledge of how a homosexual in a military group affects the group really isn't well known because those members are removed upon discovery. Military members in general have always been "shielded" from diversity and very resistant to change. Think of the fight to include black soldiers, women, etc. One of the arguments to women joining the military was the "distraction" that they would cause. I think General Dunwoody would disagree with that.
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11-19-2008, 10:29 AM
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The military has the right to determine who they will and will not take, regardless if the reasons are physical or emotional, and forcing them to take openly homosexual people is as utterly insane as saying that they have to take soomeone who (if you want to make the argument that homosexuality is "natural") has any other natural disability, or who (if you want to make the argument that it's a matter of "choice") engages in any other activity as a matter of choice that it inconsistant with "Good Order and Discipline".
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11-19-2008, 10:31 AM
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11-19-2008, 10:36 AM
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Of note...  Blue=Countries that allow open homosexuals Red = Countries who ban homosexuals outright Orange = Countries that have abiquitous policies regarding homosexuals.
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11-19-2008, 10:49 AM
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Lastly, I'd trust an appointed Flag Officer with 30+ years of military experience to determine the military's stance on gays. Why would the average citizen who hasn't BTDT know better than a General Officer?
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