Promotions

[C/ZOOMIE]

I'm making C/2Lt. in CAP this Thursday night if I pass my Mitchell test. When are your guys' next major mile stone promotions (they can be in JROTC, ROTC CAP or any Cadet Program, doesn't matter. I'm just curious)?
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[ang1sgt]

I understand the need to boast, but do we REALLY need to pad our post counts with Cadet Promotions? On the average some Cadets receive two to three promotions in a year? I could be wrong. This get's a little tedious I think. In my minds eye the Awards like the Mitchell and Spatz DESERVE recognition and you should be proud of those.

Could we possible consider just updating our Ranks in our signature blocks and letting it go at that?

Just a Thought...

[C/ZOOMIE]

Yes, Sir. I Just though It'd be a good idea to start a thread for people to talk about promotions. But, I agree with you and realize where you are coming from. I'l try to let the thread die.

[Airbourne Infantry]

That reminds me: Do any of you have a Unit Manning Document (UMD) that you follow? We have our own UMD but we don't go by it. For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, a UMD is a list that determines what a certain Cadet's maximum rank can be for a certain position. For example: All of our Flight Commanders can be a Cadet Captain at the maximum, and yet we have a Flight Commander who's a Cadet Major. Maybe it's because we have less that the minimum of 100 Cadets and therefore need more Officers, but I'm not sure. Do any of you know what the procedure is for following the UMD?

[AirForceAlways]

I can't find anything in the regs, but as far as I know the UMD can be followed at SASI discretion. I'll get back to you with the regs, but the more I think about it, the more I think it's not actually in the regs. Last I checked, there was no uniform rank system that every unit had to follow, as far as UMDs go. I'll get back to you though, AI.

EDIT: AI, if you can get a hold of a Leadership I book, they have sample unit mannings in there on pages 13-14. They don't say anything about procedures for following it, and I know it's about 150+ cadets more than you have, but that might give you an idea. See what your SASI has to say about it, because like my unit, less than 100 cadets gets a bit hard with those UMDs.

[ang1sgt]

Unless your ASI and SI have had to deal and follow a REAL USAF UMD there will be problems with them NOT following one. If You as Cadets get used to fudging the numbers and slots on a UMD, you will take that with you later in your career and figure that it's OKAY to fudge some more. That is unfair to your troops across the board. Rank is too freely given in most Units and important jobs tend to get glossed over because most Cadets would rather be an Officer with the shiny brass than be a SNCO.

Don't get me started about Cadet First Sergeants... Not a Happy topic for me!

[TruBlu]

I'm in a unit with less than 100 cadets and know what its like to deal with a UMD. You shouldn't have an inflated officer corps, your unit should try to maintain a constant officer to enlisted ratio (I believe the AF is 1:4, but don't quote me on that). That means that if you have to lay off some officers and centralize positions, then do it because you don't want to end up with too many chiefs and not enough Indians.

Having that Flight CC as a c/Maj. could potentially cause problems within the corps. If the max rank is c/Capt. then its a c/Capt. Remember the AFJROTC has permanent ranks for each AS class, and at the discretion of the SASI, those could be used. So ranks are not set in stone, and what does a rank mean if its just going to be broken right?

[Billyd]

Originally Posted by TruBlu

[snip](I believe the AF is 1:4, but don't quote me on that).[/snip]

And the winner is, TruBlu for the FIRST I believe reference! Cadets, you know better than this. Just because we have moved to a new forum does not mean that the old rules are left by the roadside. How about this for a novel idea, actually do some research and find out what that number is supposed to be, m'kay?

[Startingover]

Originally Posted by AirForceAlways

I can't find anything in the regs, but as far as I know the UMD can be followed at SASI discretion. I'll get back to you with the regs, but the more I think about it, the more I think it's not actually in the regs. Last I checked, there was no uniform rank system that every unit had to follow, as far as UMDs go. I'll get back to you though, AI.

EDIT: AI, if you can get a hold of a Leadership I book, they have sample unit mannings in there on pages 13-14. They don't say anything about procedures for following it, and I know it's about 150+ cadets more than you have, but that might give you an idea. See what your SASI has to say about it, because like my unit, less than 100 cadets gets a bit hard with those UMDs.

Well thats just it, a sample. From what I can tell afterlooking, the AF doesn't put out standardized UMDs but at the same time, there are max pay grades that are set up through AFHQ that need to be followed, saw someone posted about having a FC as a Major, yeah, shouldn't ever happen.

Ill look around for abit but it is bleak that a standardized UMD is present.

Update 1: As of yet, no Standardized UMD is found, but I did find a refrence in a cadet manual that it was 100% up to the Commander's descression on how manning is distributed but at the same time, we dont quote Cadet Manuals by BillyD's teachings, so Ill keep looking but right now it does not look like there is a specific regulation for AFJROTC. Now the same cant be said for AFROTC or ADAF.

[PaulR]

Originally Posted by C/ZOOMIE

I'm making C/2Lt. in CAP this Thursday night if I pass my Mitchell test.

So did you pass? I remember when I got my Michell Award in 1989. It was the proudest moment of my life, up to that point.