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Old 11-09-2008, 06:33 PM
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Default Man wearing McCain shirt arrested for...standing on the street!

Normally I won't make a post without commenting, but this one has left me speechless.

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Old 11-09-2008, 10:15 PM
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You cannot really tell the whole situation from this clip. It merely shows him being told to leave, and staying in the area prior to being arrested. I am not going to speculate on what may have lead to this, but I cannot say the sole reason for the arrest was being a McCain supporter.
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Old 11-10-2008, 03:42 AM
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Cops asked him to leave he didn't .Situation like that all you can do is remove him before some one gets hurt.Probably would have turned up at a Mcain rally wearing an obama shirt.
Its not a crime to be an idiot but it should be.
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Old 11-10-2008, 07:41 AM
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Cops asked him to leave he didn't.
And on exactly what legal authority did they ask him to leave? What laws was he violating by being on the streets that all of the other people on the street were not violating?

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Situation like that all you can do is remove him before some one gets hurt.
Well, unfortunately in America, the Police are only allowed to investigate a crime once it has been committed, they are not allowed to act precipitously to act to prevent people from getting hurt, and SCOTUS has ruled on that repeatedly, which means that the Police acted outside their authority.

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Probably would have turned up at a Mcain rally wearing an obama shirt.
I've seen a few at the rallies around here, and since it was in a public place, there was nothing that the Police could do even if someone had asked them to do so, and nobody did because we believe in the BILL OF RIGHTS.

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Its not a crime to be an idiot but it should be.
And who would you have make the determination as to whom the idiot was?
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Old 11-10-2008, 07:44 AM
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You cannot really tell the whole situation from this clip. It merely shows him being told to leave, and staying in the area prior to being arrested. I am not going to speculate on what may have lead to this, but I cannot say the sole reason for the arrest was being a McCain supporter.
Well youngun', as a former LEO, I can attest to the fact that the Police acted without proper legal authority. You lay claim to being some "LegalShark", so I would suggest that you actually crack some law books, because the only thing that happened here was the Police laid themselves wide open to suit for several violations of his CIVIL RIGHTS.
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Old 11-10-2008, 07:19 PM
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There is more to this video than what is being shown... This was obviously set up for the camera. Most likely, this guy went into the crowd of Obama supporters and started some crap. The police responded then the cameras came on line.

I am not a Democrat and will never vote that way, but I do not agree with the image this video painted.

I have seen this type of thing done by the Libs on many occasion.
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Old 11-10-2008, 07:27 PM
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McCain T-shirt gets man cuffed, stuffed
'Don't tell him no more, lock him up,' police say

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Posted: November 08, 2008
12:40 am Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2008 WorldNetDaily

A man wearing a McCain-Palin T-shirt during a Philadelphia celebration on election night was arrested, cuffed and stuffed into a police cruiser, and supporters said it was for no more than wearing the endorsement of the GOP nominees for president and vice-president.

Although the man protested that he didn't want to cause any trouble, officers manhandled and arrested him, the video posted on YouTube shows.

Philadelphia Police Sgt. Ray Evers told WND the man, whose name was not released, was arrested for disorderly conduct and public drunkenness.

"He was causing large crowds to form around him," Evers said, adding that he also "was not listening to police commands."

"He was asked several times to leave the area," the sergeant said. "He refused several commands from police to leave the area."

The tape opens explaining that the man was wearing a McCain T-shirt at a street celebration in honor of president-elect Barack Obama's election victory.

The audio says police told the man to leave the area and he declined. At that point, the video picks up.

The video depicts officers holding the man's chest as he says, "I'm not trying to cause any trouble."

The police then shove the man as the Obama crowd jeers.

"You know what? Don't tell him no more. Don't tell him no more. Just lock him up," an officer states.

While the man is standing off to the side of the celebration, two officers grab him and shake him up, twist his arm behind his back and cuff him.

The crowd circles the man, chanting, "Oh-Bah-Mah! Oh-Bah-Mah!"

"This man was arrested for going into a crowd of Obama supporters post-election wearing a John McCain-Sarah Palin T-shirt," the audio explains. "The officers asked him to leave, he refused … then he was assaulted by officers. Now he's being put into a patrol car.

"This is what we can expect, no freedom of speech," the narrator comments.
So, let's see, it's ELECTION NIGHT, he's wearing a McCain/Palin T-Shirt (no big surprise there), less than a block from his car, and he get's jacked up for .....WHAT? Disorderly conduct? Public drunkencess? From what I saw, he was not "disorderly", and he didn't appear to be "drunk", so again, as an experienced former LEO, I'm calling BULLSH*T on the Police actions. The crowd however WAS "disorderly", and the Police were "drunk" with 'power', but then of course the Philly PD aren't going to even try to arrest an Obama supporter unless they've got every one of their SWAT teams with them, so bust the white guy.

And for the record, exactly how was he "causing large crowds to form around him"? Was he giving out free tickets to L.L. Cool J and Snoop Doggy Doo concerts? And exactly how did they expect him to "leave the area" when the cops were pushing him AWAY from his vehicle? Was he supposed to abandon it there so that it could be towed away and impounded? Also, he did NOT "refuse to leave", and in fact he pointed out to the Police exactly where his vehicle was, so if they REALLY wanted him to leave, all the had to do was escourt him TO his vehicle. No, this was a load of crap from start to finish, and the Philly PD are the ones that screwed the pooch.

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Do you have any informationon wether he was charged??
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Do you have any informationon wether he was charged??
No. I've e-mailed the writer, but have not received a reply yet.
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Well youngun', as a former LEO, I can attest to the fact that the Police acted without proper legal authority. You lay claim to being some "LegalShark", so I would suggest that you actually crack some law books, because the only thing that happened here was the Police laid themselves wide open to suit for several violations of his CIVIL RIGHTS.
Whether they acted with proper authority is for a court of law to determine. As for law books, I crack them open everyday because that's part of going to law school. His rights may have been violated, but there is also a question of what happened before the police arrived. As I said I would want to know the full story before passing judgment.
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