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Speaking of the range... Are they ever going to actually teach Airman how to shoot? The article didnt address any changes in the range program and I remember in my day the range being done in a whopping 12 hours. Your morning was how to aim (inside a classroom) and your afternoon was shooting. There were no wind calls, adjusting of sights, or proper firing techniques. I was told to point and shoot all while trying to hide behind some wood. I didnt recieve any actual rifle training until almost 3 years later in Germany. Its nice that they are making boot longer for them, but if you dont teach fundamental marksmanship, they are still sitting ducks. One final point...I was discussing this with some collegues of mine...An USAF friend of mine was talking about how the Air Force has some pretty high-speed fellas. (CCT,TACP,EOD,PJ..ETC).He said that these guys show that the Air Force can hold its own in combat. He was right in assuming that these were some of the best shots in the military. But these guys only make up a very small percentage of the Air Force. I prefer my Marine Corps where 100% of the Marines know how to shoot and know basic infantry tactics (i.e. staying alive tactics) rather than the Air Force where you are pretty much dead if you are not one of those elite fields. NOw I know there are plenty of Airman who have seen combat and survived who are not in one of the mentioned fields, but a vast majority of the USAF has not seen combat nor would do any good if faced with such a situation. The Air Force, even with this 'new and improved' training is still a 'within the fenceline' force. Keep the training to 6 weeks. Let the young men who have to go outside the wire learn it in their follow-on schools. Stop wasting money trying to make Airmen feel like warriors. If they wanted to feel like a warrior, they would have joined the Army or Marines. They joined the Air Force for a reason and chances are it wasn't to kill people. -3D
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3D,
Knowing a bit of your history, I know that you were disappointed about your experiences in AF blue. Yes, the AF is PRIMARILY an inside the wire force. I believe that this new training will equip our airmen, if only in a small way, to defend themselves and their base if necessary. I remember from my days in BMT, weapons training was called familiarization and never proclaimed to be anything else. Did I feel like I was able to defend the perimeter? No, but that came with experience and training that I received after reporting to my first duty assignment. I am sure that in Marine Recruit Training, you learned the basics of small unit tactics (fire team, squad, etc), but when you reported for duty, you learned the specifics for your current unit. And I think it is safe to say that the training NCO there built upon what you learned at whatever Recruit Depot you went to.
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I am not really disappointed with my Air Force career as much as I am impressed with how the rest of the military works in comparison.
I do like how the Air Force is getting with the times and increasing its chem-war abilities. They should come teach the Marines their techniques because the Corps is under the assumption that we are not threatened by chemical weapons in Iraq and Afghanistan. You hit the gas chamber once a year and you get to wear the MOPP gear less than that. Its going to be a shame when the chemical weapons that the insugents have in iraq and afghanistan are brought into play and only the Air Froce is left alive..... -3D P.S. I hope no one takes me seriously. I was just highlighting some more useless USAF training.
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Good idea for the air force .Still wont stop the laughter of real military units but then nothing would.
Last edited by Woody; 10-28-2008 at 07:17 AM. Reason: did bite |
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Just as we know that there are Airman that can't hit the broad side of a Barn, I've seen a Marine or two that can't either. Marines are not the be all that everyone thinks. I have a new Hunting Coat still in my closet from 1980 when I went hunting for the first time after I came home from England. A Marine cousin of mine put a slug through that new Blaze Orange Coat, and I keep it as a memory NEVER to go hunting with him ever again. I've not been back hunting since except for those times that I go stalking and tracking using a camera.
I always thought it was the duty and responsibility of the individual to improve their Combat and Survival skills. I always saw to it that I took my training seriously enough that I would have extra time to fire weapons by being on the Base Marksmanship Teams for Pistol and Rifles. While I might have not been one of the best, I was good and hit what I aimed for. Chem Warfare is something that I took very seriously being a Weapons Troop. The understanding of what "WE" were loading on an aircraft and what could happen if a mistake were made were at the forefront of my mind every day, whether it was a conventional weapon, Chemical, or Nuclear Weapon. Granted, I was not as well trained as an SF, EOD, PJ, ect... But I took personal responsibility and took the time to prepare myself.
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Top,
You make a good point but make one serious error. The military is a team sport. You can be individually good all you want, but when the merde hits the fan, you had better hope your fellow Airmen are as trained as you are. You might have known a few Marines that couldnt shoot, but I am willing to bet that they are the exception in their units rather than the rule. -3D
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Point taken and understood 3D. In my situation, I wanted to ensure that I was never EVER the weak link. I know few in the USAF that feel the same way. I was lucky enough to serve with many that felt the same way, and were close friends because of those desires. The person I speak of while a Marine in name only, is the worst example I've ever seen, and to see him now in his 50's it is a damn shame. We all grow old, we all slow down, but sloth and gluttony shouldn't be in the cards for any person.
Soap Box Mode off...
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I'll be happy with new guys coming back and actually understanding the concepts of Chemical Warfare, and more specifically PAR Team duties. We have been having constant exercises lately, because of some upcoming inspections, and I have the lovely duty of running PAR Teams for the second shift in my shop. It sucks having half the people give me this look that says, "Um what's that?" New troops coming back with a better understanding and more training on this would make things go much more smoothly.
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