Principles of Organizational Structure

[TruBlu]

Due to the many many threads that have been way sidetracked by virtually the same discussion that is "organizational structures." I've created this thread where we can discuss it. So lets have at it.

[C.A.P. Flight Officer]

Is it ok if we also talk about staff positions on this thread, since it is somewhat related to organizational structure of a unit?

[TruBlu]

Originally Posted by C/Colonel

Is it ok if we also talk about staff positions on this thread, since it is somewhat related to organizational structure of a unit?

Roger Dodger. Everything that has to do with organizational structure, that includes any and all positions in the AFJROTC.

Oh, and c/Colonel, upload that chart here when you get a chance so we can talk about it.

[C.A.P. Flight Officer]

Roger Wilco, will do. It will be uploaded next week, thats when the info management officer will be finished.......personally I told him I would do it and post it on the unit board because he is as slow as molasses in winter. Good News, I got promoted to Mission Support Commander. I am now in charge of all of the staff. The old MSO was not doing his job, he was slacking and he was letting everyone else slack with him. So now I am third in command.

[TruBlu]

Originally Posted by C/Colonel

Roger Wilco, will do. It will be uploaded next week, thats when the info management officer will be finished.......personally I told him I would do it and post it on the unit board because he is as slow as molasses in winter. Good News, I got promoted to Mission Support Commander. I am now in charge of all of the staff. The old MSO was not doing his job, he was slacking and he was letting everyone else slack with him. So now I am third in command.

Very very cool! And that's OK about the chart, just take your time, I'm sure you have plenty of new responsibility with this new position. And what do you guys have the info management officer doing that it will take him a week to get an org chart (that's just my curiosity talking)?

[C.A.P. Flight Officer]

Originally Posted by TruBlu

Very very cool! And that's OK about the chart, just take your time, I'm sure you have plenty of new responsibility with this new position. And what do you guys have the info management officer doing that it will take him a week to get an org chart (that's just my curiosity talking)?

My unit's IMO has to assist with doing inventory, since the inventory officer got fired.......you should have seen the reaction of some of the other seniors when I got promoted, they complained and said why does he get promoted andsuch and such...

[Startingover]

Typically this is how I have worked in JROTC, and it is similar in ROTC except we jumpd straight to Wing without regard to Cadet enrollment.

1 Wing Commander
- Vice Commander
++ Group A Commander - I never had bigger than a group, so it was just Group commander.
=== Squadron A Commander
----Flight Commanders A and B
=== Squadron B Commander
---- Flight Commanders C and D
=== Operations Squadron commander
----- IG
----- Mission Support
----- Public Affairs
++ Group B Commander
=== Squadron C Commander
---- Flights E and Drill Flight
=== Support Squadron Commander
---- Logistics
---- anything else not mentioned

[StormCrow]

In some Wings the Logistics Unit is its own separate Group and I believe is outlined as such in the AFJROTC Drill and Ceremonies Textbook. However, I have often argued that it can be a squadron in the Support Group and function just as well. Another thing is that In the Support Group, you should have a Service Support Squadron and a Mission Support Squadron, In many cases in units that are relatively large you can split the Support Group function so that you have a Mission Support Group, and a Service Support Group. My old unit started this when we grew to nearly 400 cadets. It works very well. If you all would like I could create some organizational charts so that you can see different possibilities.

Storm

[TruBlu]

Originally Posted by StormCrow

In some Wings the Logistics Unit is its own separate Group and I believe is outlined as such in the AFJROTC Drill and Ceremonies Textbook. However, I have often argued that it can be a squadron in the Support Group and function just as well. Another thing is that In the Support Group, you should have a Service Support Squadron and a Mission Support Squadron, In many cases in units that are relatively large you can split the Support Group function so that you have a Mission Support Group, and a Service Support Group. My old unit started this when we grew to nearly 400 cadets. It works very well. If you all would like I could create some organizational charts so that you can see different possibilities.

Storm

I think that would be very interesting. My downfall is that I've never gotten to experiment with large structures because my unit has only about 60 cadets per semester (4X4 block schedule). If you could storm, that would be great. And I would really like to see one that could accommodate 400 cadets, like back in your unit.

[C/Major Black]

Originally Posted by C/Colonel

My unit's IMO has to assist with doing inventory, since the inventory officer got fired....

You know, i'm begining to have that same problem in my unit, AND THE SCHOOL YEAR JUST SARTED IN AUGUST!!

My IMO is slow as dirt, and is getting nothing done except the morning announcements. So i have been forced to help him since 2 years ago in my Sophmore year, I was IMO.

Not only that, my Logistics officer got fired on uniform day during a staff training session after school for insubordination (of all things). My ASI wants to demote him, but can't because he's the vice armed drill team commander.

None of this is really my business because me being a flight commander, i'm kinda on the other side of the organizational structure, but i kinda feel the need to be involved seeing that i have the largest flight in the squadron, with the most officers; and my ability and knowledge to do any job in my squadron.

But I like Flight Commander.