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Old 05-11-2009, 06:22 PM
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My unit is ***** and we're in a decline right now, unfortunately. Our school district does not allow high school programs to reach out to middle school kids, so much that most do not know what ROTC is. It's a shame, but I made quite a few people mad with an email, so its not going to change.

With that, I'll say that my unit is rather small, about 140 cadets at the most. Disgracefully, at least 80 of those cadets are freshmen only taking the course to get out of gym. As ROTC is not going to be a gym credit in years to come, that's going to make a big exclamation point for my unit.

With that being said, here is my structure:

Senior Staff:
Group Commander
Deputy Group Commander
Deputy Group Commander
Operations Officer
Executive Officer

Squadron 1:
Squadron Commander
A Flight Commander (AS2&3)
B Flight Commander (AS1)
C Flight Commander (AS1)
D Flight Commander (AS1)
E Flight Commander (Drill Team)

Squadron 2:
Squadron Commander
CIMS Officer
Inspector General
Personnel Officer
Logistics Officer
Kitty Hawk Officer (defunct)
Aerospace Officer (defunct)
Public Affairs Officer (defunct)

(Defunct: position exists, officer is in place, does nothing, accomplishes nothing)

Pick it apart, ask questions, give me advice. I have had more than a few arguments with my ASI against my SASI about how things should run and be set up.

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Old 05-11-2009, 09:13 PM
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Check out this thread:

http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/...read.php?t=223 (The structure I have in there has changed a little, just as an FYI).

Once you've done that, post up what you think should happen to your corps and then we can go from there. And as far as 140 cadets a year, you're doing better than most of us can claim.
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Old 05-11-2009, 09:50 PM
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I read through it, and it just does not sound like it will work. Everyone who has posted seems to have a very, VERY active CORPs, with almost everyone having a position. I do not.

I'd go so far as to say that 7/8 of our freshmen, the bulk of our program, sleep through ROTC class. It's really amazing how much they do not care about their grade or the program. Me, my staff, and my instructors are pretty much at a total loss as to what to do.

Which is part of the reason I made a new thread entirely about this, my unit is in shambles for much more than structure. We cannot recruit, we lose all of our freshmen, and we get less and less each year. We had four seniors graduate this year, that's all.

With that said, I think our current structure does have potential to work well. All essential jobs needed to keep the unit above the water exist, we just have unmotivated people in the positions and below them. We are unable to be selective about our officers because there is no selection. I've told my instructor "This is the best person we have for this, there's nobody else." It's a shame.
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Old 05-12-2009, 08:12 AM
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Re-organize and consolidate your cadets that want to be there. The fact that you have those who don't really want to be there, being there, is unavoidable, all units have them. You need to focus on those that do want to be there. What is the course of action that you think your corps should take? Once we know what you want to do, based on what you know first hand, we can help you out a little better. Take these questions into account (if applicable):
  • How many cadets do we have now?
  • How many cadet officers and how many are cadet enlisted?
  • What type of structure do we have?
  • How many cadets will we have?
  • How many will be cadet officers and how many will be cadet enlisted?
  • What type of structure will we have?
  • What positions are absolutely necessary for the most basic operation of the corps?
  • What positions are necessary for the corps to run effectively?
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Alright, first off I would suggest try not to make anyone angry and then talk to the disitrct on why they have such a policy. Then from there talk to them about making an exception to this policy for jrotc is an academic program "To create citizens of character deticated to serving their nation and community". Also if you inform them that jrotc is a good program to talk to middle schoolers about and that the program can even set up a awareness presenitation team to do this. Then to solve the problem of the freshman, talk to them have the senior cadets talk to them and inform them on how jrotc has helped them. Convince them on how good of a program it is and that it WILL help them after school has ended with the skills and leadership learned in it. As for just the numbers I don't really know how to help that other then invite kids from other schools to join yours if their school doesn't have one, for that's where part of my corps' 280 cadets come from. But work to retain your corps of 180 cadets and work with the district to recruit more.

Best of luck to you.

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Old 05-12-2009, 12:50 PM
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Re-organize and consolidate your cadets that want to be there. The fact that you have those who don't really want to be there, being there, is unavoidable, all units have them. You need to focus on those that do want to be there. What is the course of action that you think your corps should take? Once we know what you want to do, based on what you know first hand, we can help you out a little better. Take these questions into account (if applicable):
  • How many cadets do we have now?
  • How many cadet officers and how many are cadet enlisted?
  • What type of structure do we have?
  • How many cadets will we have?
  • How many will be cadet officers and how many will be cadet enlisted?
  • What type of structure will we have?
  • What positions are absolutely necessary for the most basic operation of the corps?
  • What positions are necessary for the corps to run effectively?
I will say that unfortunately we have maybe 10 cadets, at the maximum, who are interested in improving the CORPs. We have 24 officers, which is probably too many. There are currently 6 NCOs who work in logistics, doing average work. The rest of my unit are freshmen or drill team, none of them ranking about A1C.

I have absolutely no idea what to expect next year as many people are leaving, and we do not know who is coming in. The freshmen obviously will not be officers, but we do allow them to be NCOs, up to SSgt.

The positions we have, that I listed above should be sufficient to keep the system running smoothly. But that is assuming that the people placed in those positions actually do their job, which is half of the problem, I think.
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One thing that might help, which is something I did along with the rest of staff, was when we seen cadet's who didn't want to be there or didn't care, we would have a one on one chat with them. We would find out what it is that they want from the course. What would make them interested. Most of them like in your unit did it for the gym credit. It's unavoidable when it's offered as an alternative, but we were a very active unit, so it was easier to get most of those cadet's to be involved. Going to drill meets, pt meets, having compititions within the unit I.E. Platoon Wars. There is a lot that can be done. It sounds like you have a lot more cadets who do not care than my unit did, but try talking to them indivually. Wear your dress uniform and talk to them one on one.
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One thing that might help, which is something I did along with the rest of staff, was when we seen cadet's who didn't want to be there or didn't care, we would have a one on one chat with them. We would find out what it is that they want from the course. What would make them interested. Most of them like in your unit did it for the gym credit. It's unavoidable when it's offered as an alternative, but we were a very active unit, so it was easier to get most of those cadet's to be involved. Going to drill meets, pt meets, having compititions within the unit I.E. Platoon Wars. There is a lot that can be done. It sounds like you have a lot more cadets who do not care than my unit did, but try talking to them indivually. Wear your dress uniform and talk to them one on one.
I appreciate your advice, it is quite sound on paper. Unfortunately this would not work in my unit. For some reason, and I do not know why, the cadets seem to be rather opposed to any leadership or any authority what-so-ever. It is unfathomable that these cadets are defiant even when you are trying to help them. I cannot figure it out and neither can my instructors.

It does sound like you have a very active unit, I am impressed with even that, as I'm sure your unit does more than what you have listed. My unit does virtually nothing, our school district does not permit us to do much and we have no money to use for buses. I am at a loss as to how to raise moral or build any kind of esprit de corps.
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Pick it apart, ask questions, give me advice. I have had more than a few arguments with my ASI against my SASI about how things should run and be set up.
That was your last line of your first post. In between that, I've asked you twice about what you think should happen. I can tell you what I think should happen (blindly), but if you want any help out of me, please offer me that much. What do you think you and your instructors and those that care do in terms of unit structure?
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That was your last line of your first post. In between that, I've asked you twice about what you think should happen. I can tell you what I think should happen (blindly), but if you want any help out of me, please offer me that much. What do you think you and your instructors and those that care do in terms of unit structure?
Apologies. As far as unit structure go, TruBlu, I need something more cohesive. What I have now is very sectioned off. By this, I mean that officers are not working together to complete tasks, and no systems exist to connect positions.

I believe that is what I'm really asking for. The positions are there, they exist, but they are not running how they should. Instead of an oiled machine, I have separated blocks that do not work together and therefore do not accomplish anything.

For instance, our personnel sheets are practically blank. We do not have records of cadets participating in any activities, nor their promotion history, nor their credit for ribbons. This is because flight commanders skip over personnel and hit logistics directly. There is no chain.

So my first question is this: what systems should be in place to get the "machine" operating as it should?

And my second question is thus (and probably more related to the matter I portrayed to begin with): is this structure missing any position that I am unaware of which could help my unit?
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