On the road to Communism

[03_SHOOTER]

For those of you who recall, there was some "furor" about my Comrade Obama "bumper sticker" a while back, especially by those who support(ed) Comrade Obama, but it would seem that once again was I only slightly ahead of the crowd.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

03 SHOOTER is prescient.

I saw it coming (yes, I know, I made some comments that supported Obama, just wanted to give the man a voice), and quite frankly... Comrades Lenin, Stalin, and Marx, and Trotsky, would be proud.

I wonder if our Founding Fathers ever saw this coming... the breaking of their ideologies and their plans by a world view that came long after their deaths.

[HairyEyeball]

They may not have specifically imagined socialism, but they were well aware of the possibility of corrupting the Constitutional government. Accosting him leaving the Constitutional Convention, a woman asked Benjamin Franklin: "What kind of government have you given us, Dr. Franklin?" His reply: "A republic, madam, if you can keep it."

The 'hard work' has already been accomplished: The Revolution won, the Constitution written and ratified - and kept for over a century. All we need to do is pull it from the neglect and disuse it has fallen into...and haven't most of us already given our solemn oath to do so?

I would also suggest to those like-minded individuals who desire to take a more 'active' part in the restoration of the republic two sites: http://www.resistnet.com/ (an outgrowth of Grassfire.com ) and http://americac2c.ning.com/ (which grew from the patriotic resistance site). I would use the 'invite' function on both to target those of you I know are interested, but the software seems to be at odds with my current computer (not surprisingly, formerly owned by a liberal).

[AFCadetSteel]

I'm glad i've found a place where you can logically criticize President Obama without being called a racist hatemonger.

Glenn Beck is a smart man, one of the few truth telling, straight to the point, American journalists out there right now.

I hope that within the next few months, America will realize that they elected a puppet, a character of empty promises. The citizens will not be happy.

For example, CNN had a report that CENTCOM has told Obama that his 16 Month withdrawl plan is, well not so great. They have developed a 19 and 23 month plan though. I want to see how Americans react when our troops are still in there after 16 months.

But anyways, Obama admitted he wanted to "spread the wealth as in a socialist society" in that Detriot Radio Interview, and the man (in my opinion from research) is not even a US Citizen.

[TruBlu]

Here's what I think, and I'm sure I'm about to catch flak, but this is it. PBHO is backed into a corner. His 'bailout,' like anyone's 'bailout,' plan is being raped by Congress when each state wants a cut. Pelosi and the like have destroyed any 'plan' that has come about by adding BS like public works projects to the mix and cash in the hands of the middle class. Public works are great, don't get me wrong, and while they create jobs, they do not create permanent jobs like a 'bailout' should. Also, $1,000 for every middle class worker is great right, free cash? What the hell is that really going to do. We don't want free money, we want tax cuts that don't reduce are already reduced income. The 'bailout' has to be a necessary spending by the government, nothing more.

As to the executive pay limits for these massive companies, their pay should not be limited, instead those executives who have screwed those companies into the cluster @#$% of an economy we find ourselves in today should be fired and sent on their merry way. Instead of setting pay limits, why don't we simply increase the taxation on companies that hurt our economy by shipping out work overseas. I say tax those 'entrepreneurs' double that of American based, operated, and functioning companies. That would sure as hell save more money than limiting executive pay.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

Kind of out there... but...

http://www.lovecalculator.com/love.p...ame2=Communism

http://www.lovecalculator.com/love.p...2=Barack+Obama

The love calculator has spoken.

[TruBlu]

LOL! I love it!

[JohnP]

Originally Posted by Buffa1oso1di3r

Kind of out there... but...

http://www.lovecalculator.com/love.p...ame2=Communism

http://www.lovecalculator.com/love.p...2=Barack+Obama

The love calculator has spoken.

That's funny, I don't care who you are!

[wukong]

Originally Posted by TruBlu

As to the executive pay limits for these massive companies, their pay should not be limited, instead those executives who have screwed those companies into the cluster @#$% of an economy we find ourselves in today should be fired and sent on their merry way. Instead of setting pay limits, why don't we simply increase the taxation on companies that hurt our economy by shipping out work overseas. I say tax those 'entrepreneurs' double that of American based, operated, and functioning companies. That would sure as hell save more money than limiting executive pay.

You are so naive. You can cause business to ship jobs overseas due to taxes (a minimum wage is a tax) but you cannot tax them back. Money has no loyalty except to itself.

Let me give you another example. A pair of shoes that sells for $35 can be made in the US for $30. It can be made in Haiti for $25 with a $5 shipping cost. The job will move to Haiti because of the 35% corporate tax. Although there is an illusionary profit margin of $5 in each case, after corporate taxes the profit on the US made shoes is $3.25 whereas in Haiti the corporate shareholder will receive well close to $5 after paying some small bribe. I am not an altruistic investor and neither are you or your parents.

Let me offer up another example. In New York the tax on a pack of cigarettes is $2.75. The tax in South Carolina is $0.17. Suppose an entrepreneur drove his van down to Spartenburg and loaded up to sell lower priced cigarettes to his working class friends (janitors, bell hops, plumbers, etc) for a modest profit. Who is the real criminal and who is the greedier, the poor schlock that invested in the cigarettes or the poor schlocks who knowingly purchased the untaxed merchandise? These tax revenues are ALWAYS I MEAN ALWAYS used to fund vital government services. Governments always use the Washington Monument ploy to justify taxes. When ever a move is made to cut funding to the Department of the Interior, the first counter by this government agency is to suggest that the Washington Monument is to be closed. New York will be required to lay off police, firefighters and emergency services.

Originally Posted by HairyEyeball

I would use the 'invite' function on both to target those of you I know are interested, but the software seems to be at odds with my current computer (not surprisingly, formerly owned by a liberal).

I was wondering what happened to my old boat anchor.

[TruBlu]

Originally Posted by wukong

You are so naive. You can cause business to ship jobs overseas due to taxes (a minimum wage is a tax) but you cannot tax them back. Money has no loyalty except to itself.

Ship jobs overseas isn't the phrase I would use. Shipping a job would incur that the job was being maintained, but moved. It's more like shifting jobs overseas. Americans are employed when a job is 'shipped,' in example the military, but when a job is shifted, an American is not employed. Instead foreign countries and the company shifting jobs gets a temporary increase in profit due to the lack of taxation. Eventually the lovely situation we find ourselves in today occurs, where millions of hard working Americans get laid off because companies are constantly paying certain individuals too much at the top and consistently 'relocating' their assets, and then they want to be bailed out. I understand the logic in moving a company if you are going to be taxed less, if that is the only factor. But it isn't.

Irrefutable statement ahead: That company may save money in the short term, but the result is less employed Americans and less money that the government can collect to protect those companies when their money is set ablaze. Less employed Americans means fewer transactions of funds, which means fewer companies are meeting their pay roles. This leads to even more lay offs and the like.

Wait, that sounds like what's happening today... Go figure.

Originally Posted by wukong

I am not an altruistic investor and neither are you or your parents.

Funny that you say that seeing as though my father, after his recent trip to Thailand, has become a proponent of what is called "Buddhist Economics," a very altruistic economic process.