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Another difference seems to be one of perspective. From an Air Force view point it would appear as if ground forces plan going forward. Your take A, then B and then C. When flying in support of this scenario, air forces are given targets and all mission planning takes place in reverse order. Also many of the rules we operate under are not fully understood as to how they originated or the impact they may have when violated. For example, I once read a critique by an Army SF type that was tasked along with a C-141 SOLL 2 crew to perform a real world mission. While the briefing/planning was occurring the C-141 Pilot brought up the fact that the mission would entail a violation of crew rest rules. The Army troop perceived the mention of crew rest as a wimpy response. However crew rest in the aviation business (especially commercial aviation) is as near sacrosanct as a rule can get. The pilot on his own has no authority to waver a crew rest rule. From an aviation standpoint the pilot was just warning the Com JTF that an AF General Officer would have to wavier the rules. It may appear to be inflexible, but crew rest rules are written in blood. A good deal of that blood is from the passenger compartment.
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It is just a culture difference. When I was a Cav Troop commander I had to take crew rest into consideration everytime we did mission planning. I have several buddies who are Army Aviators and trust me...I still gave them crap over it.
The view from the ground is, if my men and I are expected to conduct a mission with as little as 4 hours of sleep (per regulation) then we don't really "get" the whole 8 hour crew rest thing even in combat situations. (I understand the regs and I understand that you flying a plane is a little bit more complex then us moving to a objective and taking it by force...but still...operating under fatigue is just one of those things we are trained to do.) |
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I agree, and I know that it is really more than simply a safety issue. That won't stop me from poking fun at the 'zipper suited Sun gods'.
I think that I began to understand it when I became a jumpmaster. A lot of the procedures that I just sort of followed before became perfectly clear as I studied airborne operations in much more detail. Things are much more complex than you realize as a jumper, and all of the procedures are based on the cumulative practical experience of thousands of operations. As I used to tell my guys, behind every 'stupid' rule is a true story... Tim, I saw your question in the now-defunct 'Officer as a leader part I' thread. Keep in mind that the men aren't looking for you to be the toughest, smartest, etc. in the platoon (although that certainly helps). They want you to do your best, learn from your mistakes, and put them first, right after the mission. If you show them loyalty and respect, they will return it- of course, at first it's because they have to. A good way to start is to suffer every hardship and accept every risk that the men do. Just about every officer position is paired with a senior NCO, who has an additional, unwritten task of training and mentoring that officer. The real challenge is when the time comes (and it always does) that you don't take his advice and pray that you made the right decision. Last edited by Javelin66; 01-12-2009 at 10:31 PM. |
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Aircrews are just like most everyone else across the services. Aircrews want to fly the mission to complete satisfaction and will take exceptional risk if granted that authority. Experience has repeatedly shown that crew rest decisions must be taken away from the crew and placed at a higher level of authority.
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Great point; that is the first step towards trying to be everybody's pal. Eventually the day will come when you have to be the bad guy. That day is even harder if you have created artificial relationships.
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I find the video series "Band of Brothers" to be a very valuable source of material dealing with leadership discussions. First because there is a great deal of historical accuracy and second most of us have some access to them.
In episode 6, The Breaking Point, First Sergeant Lipton expresses to Captain Winters, the Battalion Commander, that in his opinion Captain Dyke, Easy Company Commander, is an empty suit and will get "a lot of Easy's men killed." Lipton's thoughts are this is something he could never imagine himself doing as an enlisted soldier. This may have been the Army of WWII, but it is not the Army of today. This is true for all the services. I once fired a Captain that worked for me for buying his men beer during the period they were servicing C-130's performing Engine Running Offloads. The person who informed me of what was transpiring was my senior E. I have also had to discipline the E's that worked for me and I would never so much as verbally reprimand an E without first consulting with my senior E. I can not image any punitive disciplinary action against an enlisted man in today's services without consultation and most probably on the advice of the units senior E. I don't know when the services instituted the positions of Senior Enlisted Adviser but the Training Wing I was assigned to in 1971 had one at the Wing level as well as Squadron First Sergeants. The senior Es that post on the forum could bring some light to this discussion as well as their involvement with subordinate officers within their units.
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I found this article discussing the history of First Sergeants in the USAF and thought it would be a good addition to wukong's last post.
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I have no illusions of my being a great leader and was just an Platoon Sergeant in a line company during a busy, dangerous time in Vietnam. The hardest part of my job was not crossing that very thin line and becoming too friendly or being just 'one of the guys'. It just went against my 'grain' because I'm a friendly sort. Perhaps the higher one goes the lonelier it gets, but you can't remain in control if you cross that line. We had a new Platoon Leader that made the mistake of being one of the guys and you wouldn't believe the problems that caused. I didn't envy my Company Commander's job and thought it was probably the loneliest job on the planet. He was a 'special breed', tough as nails, but highly regarded. Great posts, any thoughts on crossing that 'line'?
Easy Brother, Reddog...
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I am by far not an expert on the inner working and hidden mechanisms of an Infantry unit, but there are some parallels in the aviation world. Aviations units fail when they can no longer maintain an operation ready status. Although not all ways the case but predominately the reasons are people related. A unit that is operational ready has aircraft ready to fly at a certain ratio of aircraft assigned. A certain number of ready crews that are fully trained and physically fit for duty. A certain amount of supplies in WRSK kits immediately available to deploy with the aircraft and numerous other measures of combat readiness. When these measurable factors fall below what is deemed adequate, the Commander's attention is focused in these areas. A fall in the number of operational ready aircraft could very well indicate problems in maintenance manning, morale or a host of other problems. Whether it is "leadership" or "management" that is the cause of the problem, the commander has to deal with the cause.
In the example of Easy Company at "The Breaking Point," the company only had one effective officer, Lt Compton. It was the Sergeant Guarneres', Malarkys', and Martins' as well as First Sergeant Lipton that kept Easy Company as a stable and functioning fighting force. I would not deem Compton as a failed leader, he nor anyone else is a iron man. Compton had only so much to give emotionally. Compton was very close to his men and paid a price for that bond. What this boils down to is that units fail where the work is done. It fails due to specific actions or non action by the privates, seamen or airmen that do the bulk of the work. The line supervision by sergeants or petty officers is absolutely critical. All command basically does is facilitate that work. The article that soccermark23 posted was very informative on the specific duties of the First Sergeant. The explicit duty is to be the commander's people expert. I would also contend that implicit in those duties is a requirement to treat the units officers including the commander as a body that the First Sergeant is also responsible. These are bodies that must be sheltered, fed, clothed and armed. In the Air Force the focus of the First Sergeant or Senior Enlisted Advisor is not on the mission, but on the people assigned to the mission. This assignment allows Command to focus more on the mission with dedicated assistance in protecting the commanders people. This arrangement also provides quicker command response to the needs of the human element. It is difficult to argue a rational case opposed to this management style. US combat forces are much more flexible, ready and deadly than what I experienced in 1971.
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Not entirely true. The command enviroment will have great impact on how the sergeants and petty officers press the jr. enlisted folks to perform their tasks. Live example: I had just arrived at my unit and one of the appointments was to attent the commander's inbrief. I was one of about 15 or so Sergeants in the room when the commander tells us "You are not real NCOs." Now, what kind of enviroment did that tell us we were going to be working in? Do you think we were motivated to mission excellence? At my next assignment, we had a commander that right before 20AF came in to do our NSTI, was walking the hallways of the building, greeting every person by name, shaking his/her hand and jokingly telling us he was with the IG and was here to help us. What do you suppose the impact on mission excellence was? We scored very well and morale was VERY high and it showed. We took the IG and showed them how missile comm was supposed to be done.
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