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Old 01-10-2009, 10:20 PM
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I just ran across this and thought it worth bringing to everyone's attention. I realize that it's a year old, but given the new administration, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if this takes off again in the coming legislative sessions, and more importantly, at the Federal level.

I know that Barry O promised that he wouldn't go after the guns, but he didn't say anything about the ammo!

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Help Pass the Ammunition Accountability Act

The 2008 Legislative session has begun, and the Ammunition Accountability Act is being introduced across the country. Below is a summary of legislation that has been introduced throughout the United States. To view the bills' status click on the links to the individual bills.

Sample Legislation: The Ammunition Accountability Act

Alabama, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Washington.


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Ammunition Accountability Act
SAMPLE LEGISLATION
An ACT relating to firearms and ammunition; requiring [AGENCY] to establish a statewide database to track coded ammunition manufactured and sold for handguns and assault rifles.

Section 1. Legislative Findings.
The State Legislature hereby finds the following:
Each year in the United States, more than 30% of all homicides that involve a gun go unsolved.
Handgun ammunition accounts for 80% of all ammunition sold in the United States.
Current technology for matching a bullet used in a crime to the gun that fired it has worked moderately well for years, but presupposes that the weapon was recovered by law enforcement.
Bullet coding is a new and effective way for law enforcement to quickly identify persons of interest in gun crime investigations.
Section 2. Definitions.
For purposes of this chapter, “coded ammunition” means a bullet carrying a unique identifier that has been applied by etching onto the base of the bullet projectile.

Section 3. Prohibition on possession or sale of non-coded ammunition.
1. All handgun and assault weapon ammunition manufactured or sold in the state after January 1, 2009, shall be coded by the manufacturer.
a. The calibers covered by the coding requirement shall include:[LIST
CALIBERS].
2. No later than January 1, 2011, all non-coded ammunition for the calibers listed in this chapter, whether owned by private citizens or retail outlets, must be disposed.

Section 4. Authority to establish an Ammunition Coding Database.
1. [AGENCY] shall be responsible for establishing and maintaining an Ammunition Coding Database (ACD) containing the following information:
a. Manufacturer registry – Manufacturers shall:
i. Register with [AGENCY] in a manner prescribed by the department
through rule; and
ii. Maintain records on the business premises for a period of seven years concerning all sales, loans, and transfers of ammunition, to, from, or within the state.
b. Vendor registry – Vendors shall
i. Register with [AGENCY] in a manner prescribed by the department
through rule; and
ii. Record the following information in a format prescribed by the [AGENCY]:
a. The date of the transaction.
b. The name of the transferee.
c. The purchaser’s driver’s license number or other government issued identification card number
d. The date of birth of the purchaser.
e. The unique identifier of all handgun ammunition or bullets transferred.
f. All other information prescribed by [AGENCY].
iii. Maintain records on the business premises for a period of three
years from the date of the recorded purchase.
2. To the greatest extent possible or practical, the ACD shall be built within the framework of existing firearms databases. The ACD shall be operational no later than January 1, 2009.
3. Privacy of individuals is of the utmost importance. Access to information in the ACSD is reserved for key law enforcement personnel and to be released only in connection with a criminal investigation.

NEW SECTION:

Section 5. Penalties
1. Any vendor that willfully fails to comply with, or falsifies the records required to be kept by this bill is guilty of a public offense punishable by imprisonment not to exceed one year, and a fine of $1,000.
2. Any manufacturer that fails to comply with the provisions of this section shall be liable for a civil fine of not more than one $1,000 for a first violation, not more than five $5,000 for a second violation, and not more $10,000 for a third and subsequent violation.
3. Any person who willfully destroys, obliterates, or otherwise renders unreadable, the serialization required pursuant to this bill, on any bullet or assembled ammunition is punishable by imprisonment not to exceed one year, and a fine of $1,000.

NEW SECTION:

Section 6. Funding.
1. Establishing and maintaining the ACD shall be funded by an end-user fee not to exceed [COST NUMBER, ESTIMATED AT $0.005 PER BULLET OR ROUND
OF AMMUNITION].
2. There is hereby established the Coded Ammunition Fund for deposit of the enduser fees described in this section. Moneys in the fund, upon appropriation, shall be available to the [AGENCY] for infrastructure, implementation, operational, enforcement, and future development costs of this chapter.
3. Ammunition manufacturers based within this state may submit a one-time tax credit application for cost of purchasing ammunition coding equipment. All
applications must be submitted by January 1, 2009.

-- END --

NOTE: To view a more detailed version of Ammunition Coding Database legislation that was proposed in other states, visit www.ammunitionaccountability.org. Gordon Thomas Honeywell Governmental Affairs can also provide drafting guidance. Contact Briahna Taylor at (253) 620-6640 or btaylor@gth-gov.com
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Old 01-11-2009, 09:57 PM
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Bad information.

We killed this obscenity in Arizona at the beginning of the last session - it never made it to a full committee hearing. It may also have suffered a similar fate in other States.

Additionally, the original was written by the only company that allegedly possesses the equipment to comply, and was 'shopped' to a number of States, with identical wording. No State has yet demanded a practical demonstration of the supposed technology, although the fact that it may not now, or ever, exist is apparently relevant: Witness the 'law' in the People's Democratic Republic of New Jersey which mandates that 'when' the science fiction 'smart gun' is developed - not 'available', merely 'developed' - all 'dumb guns' will be illegal.

The bill is a fraud, the technology is at best a gun-grabber's attempt to render your firearms useless - 'non-serialized' ammunition, including your own reloads, will be illegal; the cost of this fictional ammunition will be prohibative, and the only method of confirming the presence of the serial number will be to fire (or otherwise disassemble) each round.
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Old 01-12-2009, 07:21 AM
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Bad information.

We killed this obscenity in Arizona at the beginning of the last session - it never made it to a full committee hearing. It may also have suffered a similar fate in other States.
Hence my statement that;
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I just ran across this and thought it worth bringing to everyone's attention. I realize that it's a year old, but given the new administration, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if this takes off again in the coming legislative sessions, and more importantly, at the Federal level.
As for the rest, as I said, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if this takes off again, especially given the composition of the new Congress, so I posted this as a "Heads Up" for everyone who cares to keep an eye open for any such legislation that might be proposed either in their States, or at the Federal level.
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Old 01-12-2009, 10:52 AM
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Yes, it is a year old, but due to erroneous information, it has gone out from the NRA as current, and many are reacting to it on that basis. There is little doubt that it will be revived, at both state and national levels (and possibly in places such as Chicago, Detroit and D.C.), but knowing its history is 'another arrow in the quiver' when fighting it.

Heading the thread "...at it again" does imply that the measure is current and active.
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Default Prefiled in Georgia for the current legislative session

This was prefiled here in Georgia. Doubt it will go anywhere but... they are at it again.

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09 LC 36 1171
Senate Bill 12 - Prefile
By: Senator Ramsey, Sr. of the 43rd

A BILL TO BE ENTITLED
AN ACT


To amend Article 4 of Chapter 11 of Title 16 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to dangerous instrumentalities and practices, so as to prohibit the manufacture, sale, and possession in this state of handgun ammunition that does not contain a unique code; to provide for definitions; to provide for the creation of an ammunition coding system data base to be established by the Department of Public Safety; to require the registration of manufacturers and vendors; to require the obtaining and maintenance of certain information; to provide for penalties; to provide for exceptions; to provide for a fee to fund the operation and maintenance of the data base; to provide a tax credit for the purchase of ammunition coding equipment; to provide for related matters; to repeal conflicting laws; and for other purposes.

BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF GEORGIA:

SECTION 1.
Article 4 of Chapter 11 of Title 16 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to dangerous instrumentalities and practices, is amended by adding a new part as follows:

"Part 6

16-11-190.
As used in this part, the term:
(1) 'Coded' means:
(A) The ammunition has been identified in a manner prescribed by the department so that all assembled ammunition contained within a package provided for retail sale, or as otherwise specified by the department, contains a unique identifier that has been applied by etching onto the base of the bullet; and
(B) Bullets used for reloading or handloading handgun ammunition contained within a package provided for retail sale, or as otherwise specified by the department, contain a unique identifier that has been applied by etching onto the base of the bullet.
(2) 'Department' means the Department of Public Safety.
(3) 'Handgun ammunition' means ammunition principally for use in pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person notwithstanding the fact that the ammunition may also be used in some rifles. The term shall include both assembled ammunition and bullets to be used to assemble handgun ammunition. The term shall not include blank cartridges, shot shells, or projectiles used in black powder handguns.

16-11-191.
(a) On and after January 1, 2010, all handgun ammunition manufactured in this state, sold or offered for sale in this state, imported into this state for sale or personal use, kept for sale in this state, or given, lent, or possessed in this state shall be coded by the manufacturer of the ammunition in accordance with the rules and regulations of the department.
(b) Not later than January 1, 2012, all noncoded handgun ammunition, whether owned by private citizens or commercial entities, shall be disposed of in accordance with the rules and regulations of the department.

16-11-192.
(a) Not later than January 1, 2010, the department shall establish and maintain an ammunition coding system data base.
(b) All manufacturers of handgun ammunition shall register with the department in a manner prescribed by the department by rule or regulation and shall maintain records on the business premises of the manufacturer for a period of seven years concerning all sales, loans, and transfers of handgun ammunition to, from, or within this state.
(c) All vendors of handgun ammunition in this state shall register with the department in a manner prescribed by the department by rule or regulation and shall record for each sale or transfer of handgun ammunition the following information which shall be maintained on the business premises of the vendor for a period of three years from the date of the sale or transfer:
(1) The date of the sale or transfer;
(2) The name of the person to whom the handgun ammunition was sold or transferred;
(3) The driver's license number or other government issued identification card number of the person to whom the handgun ammunition was sold or transferred;
(4) The date of birth of the person to whom the handgun ammunition was sold or transferred;
(5) The unique coded identifiers of all handgun ammunition and bullets transferred; and
(6) All such other information that the department may by rule or regulation require.
(d) The department shall provide by rule and regulation for the submission of the information required to be maintained pursuant to this Code section concerning all sales, loans, and transfers of handgun ammunition to, from, or within this state to the department for inclusion in the ammunition coding system data base.
(e) Records maintained by the department pursuant to this part shall not be subject to disclosure under the provisions of Article 4 of Chapter 18 of Title 50.

16-11-193.
(a) On and after January 1, 2010, any person who knowingly manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into this state for sale or personal use, keeps for sale or offers for sale, or sells, gives, or lends any handgun ammunition that is not coded pursuant to this part shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.
(b) On and after January 1, 2010, any person who knowingly possesses any handgun ammunition that is not coded pursuant to this part shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.
(c) On and after January 1, 2010, any person who willfully destroys, obliterates, or otherwise renders unreadable the code required pursuant to this part on any handgun ammunition shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.
(d) On and after January 1, 2010, any manufacturer or vendor of handgun ammunition who willfully fails to register with the department, fails to maintain or falsifies the records required by this part, or willfully destroys, damages, obliterates, mutilates, or otherwise renders unreadable the records required to be maintained by this part shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.
(e) On and after January 1, 2010, any person who willfully damages, obliterates, mutilates, or otherwise renders unreadable the codes required to be on handgun ammunition by this part shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. This shall not include the act of discharging handgun ammunition.

16-11-194.
This part shall not apply to:
(1) The possession for purposes of investigation or disposition of any noncoded handgun ammunition by a forensic laboratory or any authorized agent or employee thereof in the course and scope of his or her authorized activities;
(2) The possession for purposes of investigation, evidence, or disposition of any noncoded handgun ammunition by any state, county, city, or city and county agency charged with law enforcement or by any authorized agent or employee thereof within the course and scope of his or her official duties;
(3) The possession of noncoded ammunition for purposes of transporting it to a law enforcement agency for disposal if possession is otherwise lawful and if the law enforcement agency has been notified prior to delivery of the ammunition;
(4) The possession by peace officers from other states of noncoded handgun ammunition during the discharge of their official duties in this state; and
(5) The possession by members of the Georgia National Guard or the armed forces of the United States of noncoded handgun ammunition during the discharge of their official duties.

16-11-195.
(a) On and after January 1, 2010, there shall be established a fee imposed on each person who purchases handgun ammunition in this state of $0.005 per assembled round of handgun ammunition or bullet for handgun ammunition. Such fee shall be collected by the vendor at the time of the sale of the handgun ammunition and shall be remitted to the Department of Revenue on a monthly basis in accordance with procedures established by the Department of Revenue by rule and regulation. The Department of Revenue shall deposit such fees into the state treasury.
(b) As soon as practicable after the end of each fiscal year, but not more than six months after the close of the fiscal year, the Office of Treasury and Fiscal Services shall report the amount of funds received pursuant to this Code section to the Governor, the General Assembly, and the Office of Planning and Budget. It is the intention of the General Assembly that an amount equal to such proceeds received from such fees in any fiscal year shall be appropriated during the following fiscal year to the department. These funds shall be used exclusively for the purpose of funding the operation and maintenance of the ammunition coding system data base and compliance by manufacturers and vendors with the provisions of this part.

16-11-196.
Manufacturers of handgun ammunition based in this state shall be allowed a state income tax credit against the tax imposed by Chapter 8 of Title 48 for the cost of purchasing ammunition coding equipment to comply with the provisions of this part. In no event shall the total amount of the tax credit under this Code section for a taxable year exceed the taxpayer's income tax liability. Any unused tax credit shall be allowed to be carried forward to apply to the taxpayer's next three succeeding years' tax liability. No such tax credit shall be allowed the taxpayer against prior years' tax liability. The credit provided pursuant to this Code section shall be only available to a manufacturer for the first purchase of ammunition coding equipment and shall not be available for subsequent purchases, replacements, repairs, or additions to such equipment. The commissioner of revenue is authorized to promulgate any rules and regulations necessary to implement and administer this Code section.

16-11-197.
The department is authorized to promulgate any rules and regulations necessary to implement and administer this part."

SECTION 2.
All laws and parts of laws in conflict with this Act are repealed.
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This was prefiled here in Georgia. Doubt it will go anywhere but... they are at it again.
Thanks RedBeard. I had read that it had been refiled, but hadn't been able to locate which and source that listed which States had.
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I know that Barry O promised that he wouldn't go after the guns,
Not completely true:

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Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment... They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.
He may not take guns away from people, but he defiantly wants to make them harder to get and nearly impossible to use for self defense.
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In point of fact, lying out both sides of his face Barack Hussein cannot disguise his past: He is the most anti-gun President in our history, including Billary, and Biden brags about being even worse. On the other hand, if recent Arizona gun shows are any guide, they're also the best thing to happen to firearm and ammo sales in decades: People who never thought about owning one have cleaned out stocks of 'black rifles', at one show alone the biggest ammo distributor in the west sold over 18 tons (and could have moved another 10 or 15) - people bought out .223, .308, .30-06, .45acp by the crate. AR-15 clones that sold for $600 in October of last year are commanding over $1000 (and getting it), the NRA is recruiting 200-300 new members at every two-day gun show, and both firearm and ammo manufacturers can't keep up with the demand for product. In fact, at the Tucson show this past weekend, there wasn't a box of .45acp to be found, or a can of suitable powder, or jacketed slugs, or large pistol primers. Repackaged DCM .30-06 was going for up to $30 per box of 20, and 5.56 was over a dollar a round, and only from people who'd bought early, and were 'cashing in'.

If properly orchestrated, this could result in an attitude among formerly oblivious (and unarmed) Americans of 'I just bought this - you're not taking it!' One of the primary 'tools' to engender it will be publicizing any example of the presence of a firearm preventing a crime, and with the ubiquity of the 'net far outstripping any newspaper (which rarely mention such), we need to pick those stories up and post them on every 'non-gun nut' site and forum we frequent.
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