NG Officer could be discahrged for violation of "Don't ask, don't tell"

[fjer]

BTW, (for those Army officers among us), is there any good reason Choi is/was still a Lt? He was a USMA grad and in the Guard when he came out, so I would presume he did 5 years active (some quick research backs this up), and I was under the impression that nearly everyone makes O-3 within 5 years. Of course, may be completely wrong in my assumptions, but if not it raises an interesting question.

[DSEddie]

Excellent points in your previous post, fjer. Devil, joining the military actually means giving up many of the freedoms that we fight for. The military is one of the only "businesses" in America that is not only allowed to "discriminate" it is encouraged to. There is a minimum required GT score for entrance into each branch. Why? It keeps people that would be more of a liability than a help out. There are medical requirements that must be met to enter each branch. Why? Many reasons actually, but to name a few, it keeps medical costs down and it makes it so that anyone who can pass those physicals should theoretically be able to accomplish the job/MOS that they go into at the same level as anyone else physically. Homosexuals are currently not allowed to serve while being openly gay, or violating S.A.M. (statements, acts, or marriage). Why? I already answered that question in my previous post, and those were only a few of the points I made in my paper. Women aren't allowed in certain MOS's. Why? I have a post on this issue somewhere in the archives, but briefly because they cannot physically do the same things men can (if you argue that they can, why is there a seperate score chart for females?), pregnancy issues, personal hygiene issues, etc.

The military doesn't discriminate in areas that have no bearing on how well someone can do our job, namely religion and race. In any area that the military does "discriminate" there are valid reasons for it. If the reasons weren't valid, there would be no standard to have to meet. The standards are there for a reason, and it seems to have been working out for us for the past few centuries or so.

[PhilK]

Originally Posted by fjer

BTW, (for those Army officers among us), is there any good reason Choi is/was still a Lt? He was a USMA grad and in the Guard when he came out, so I would presume he did 5 years active (some quick research backs this up), and I was under the impression that nearly everyone makes O-3 within 5 years. Of course, may be completely wrong in my assumptions, but if not it raises an interesting question.

While it is usually believed that going from O-2 to O-3 is automatic, there is still paperwork that has to be submitted. His unit on AD could have sat on it until he went to the Guard and then the Guard sat on it either because they did not have an O-3 slot for him or because they read something in his records that they didn't like.

There are many possibilities, a look at his OERs could probably answer a lot.

[DevilvoldX]

Originally Posted by fjer

Nice generic talking points you got there ^

Much of what you attacked was not expressed in this topic, and you apply massive stereotypes while accusing others of doing the same. I applaud your decent use of the English language (not perfect, but hey, whose is?), but the lack of comprehension you demonstrate is interesting (copy/paste much?).

In addition to homosexuals the military discriminates against tall people, short people, fat people, thin people, dumb people, weak people, disabled people, old people, young people, sick people, and others. Pretty much the only thing the military doesn't discriminate on is race. Why? Because it makes the US military stronger. Serving is not a right.

First off, I thank for your compliment on my decent use of the English language, and extend the same sentiment to you. I've done a bit more research on the matter and have talked to a few family members who used to and currently serve in the military. I have also read 13B Warrior's reply to the topic, and share his beliefs. It was very disgraceful for Mister Choi to wear his uniform to the function, and to then deface it by wearing a bandanna, or whatever you may call it, over his mouth.

I also did more research on "Don't ask, don't tell" and actually discussed this issue with my fellow Senior NCOs in JROTC today. We all came to the conclusion that Mister Choi was in violation of several military policies and felt that he should be discharged for his actions. On a lighter note I thank you fjer for thinking the arguments I presented in my previous post were copied and pasted, and would like to report that those ideas were my own deductions about the topic. Furthermore, I enjoyed reading up on military policy and history while garnering a better understanding of this situation.