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US, SKorea militaries gird for NKorean provocation
AP

Thursday, May 28
By JAE-SOON CHANG, Associated Press Writer Jae-soon Chang, Associated Press Writer – 28 mins ago

SEOUL, South Korea – The U.S. and South Korea put their military forces on high alert Thursday after North Korea renounced the truce keeping the peace between the two Koreas since 1953. The North also accused the U.S. of preparing to attack the isolated communist country in the wake of its second nuclear bomb test, and warned it would retaliate to any hostility with "merciless" and dangerous ferocity.

Seoul moved a 3,500-ton destroyer into waters near the Koreas' disputed western maritime border while smaller, high-speed vessels were keeping guard at the front line, South Korean news reports said. The defense ministry said the U.S. and South Korean militaries would increase surveillance activities.

Pyongyang, meanwhile, positioned artillery guns along the west coast on its side of the border, the Yonhap news agency said. The Joint Chiefs of Staffs in Seoul refused to confirm the reports.

The show of force along the heavily fortified border dividing the two Koreas comes three days after North Korea conducted an underground nuclear test and fired a series of short-range missiles.

The test drew immediate condemnation from world leaders and the U.N. Security Council, where ambassadors were discussing a new resolution to punish Pyongyang. President Barack Obama called it a "blatant violation" of international law.

In response, South Korea said it would join more than 90 nations that have agreed to stop and inspect vessels suspected of transporting weapons of mass destruction.

North Korea called South Korea's participation in the U.S.-led Proliferation Security Initiative a prelude to a naval blockade and a violation of the truce signed to end the three-year war that broke out in Korea in 1950.

On Wednesday Pyongyang renounced the 1953 armistice and the following day warned U.S. forces against advancing into its territory.

"The northward invasion scheme by the U.S. and the South Korean puppet regime has exceeded the alarming level," the North's main Rodong Sinmun newspaper said in a commentary carried by the official Korean Central News Agency. "A minor accidental skirmish can lead to a nuclear war."

The U.S., which has 28,500 troops in South Korea and another 50,000 in Japan, has denied it is planning military action. But U.S. and South Korean troops were placed on their highest alert level for more than two years.

The South Korea-U.S. combined forces command rates its surveillance alert on a scale to 5, with 1 being the highest level. On Thursday, the level was raised from 3 to 2, the second-highest level, South Korean Defense Ministry spokesman Won Tae-jae said. He said the last time the alert level was that high was in 2006, when the North conducted its first nuclear test.

Won said both militaries were raising their surveillance activities, although he would not explain what that meant. South Korean media reported that the higher alert would involve increased monitoring of North Korea using satellites and navy ships.

The U.N. Command on Korea said it would continue to observe the armistice, saying it "remains in force and is binding on all signatories, including North Korea."

North Korea has repudiated the armistice several times before, most recently in 2003 and 2006.

South Korean Foreign Ministry spokesman Moon Tae-young accused the North of "seriously distorting" the decision to join in the initiative.

Seoul has said its military would "respond sternly" to any North Korean provocation, and that it would be able to contain the North with the help of U.S. troops.

The South Korean military has dispatched "personnel and equipment deployment" along its land and sea borders, a Joint Chiefs of Staff officer said. He spoke on condition of anonymity citing department policy.

He said there has been no particular movement of North Korean troops in border areas.

The two Koreas technically remain at war because they signed a truce, not a peace treaty, in 1953. However, North disputes the U.N.-drawn maritime border off their west coast, and used that dispute to provoke deadly naval skirmishes in 1999 and 2002.

South Korea's mass-circulation JoongAng Ilbo newspaper said more anti-air missiles and artillery were dispatched to military bases on islands near the disputed western sea border with North Korea.

Yonhap said the destroyer has artillery guns, anti-ship guided missiles, ship-to-air missiles and torpedoes. Air force fighters are were on standby, the report said.

North Korea's West Sea fleet has 13 submarines and more than 360 vessels, Yonhap said.

The recent flurry of belligerence could reflect an effort by 67-year-old leader Kim Jong Il to boost his standing among his impoverished people.

It was also seen as a test of Obama's new administration, and came as two Americans, journalists Euna Lee and Laura Ling, remained in custody in Pyongyang accused of illegal entry and "hostile acts." They face trial in Pyongyang next week.

Japanese Prime Minister Taro Aso said any new Security Council resolution must be stronger than the one issued after the North's first atomic test in October 2006, and contain sanctions.

A Russian Foreign Ministry official said Moscow did not want to see Pyongyang further isolated. Andrei Nesterenko said Russia opposed sanctions but did not object to a U.N. resolution.

Hong Hyun-ik, a senior analyst at the Sejong Institute security think tank, said sanctions would not be effective unless China — North Korea's traditional ally — implemented them.

"Kim Jong Il must be scoffing" at the talk of sanctions, he said. "He knows the world will forget about any sanctions in the end."

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Associated Press writers Hyung-jin Kim and Eric Talmadge in Seoul, and Mari Yamaguchi in Tokyo, contributed to this report.

Is it me, or is he getting more irrational by the day?

[TruBlu]

Flexing his 'prowess' and influence on the region in my opinion. As stated, the alert levels have hit this high a few times, and none of which resulted in an actual resolution of the problem that is North Korea and "Dear Leader." It's time for China to step up and step out of North Korea's friendship circle, taking it down to, let's say, zero. Once that happens, North Korea will be isolated. That psycho of a 'leader' will have two choices: let his people starve and potentially revolt or push his one million man army over the South Korea and risk nuclear war. We must all remember, this man is old, his father founded the nation it is now, he's not in a mental state to understand nuke from firecracker, and he's got no real heir to his 'throne.' I fear that he would rather die seeing his country fighting a losing fight with the thought that he will dominate the battlefield than seeing him die with the country he has ownership of now. He's absolutely insane.

I firmly believe all this could end and the Korea's finally be united with the assassination of this fool of a 'leader.' I don't wish to see this conflict escalate into another invasion of North Korea, but I don't see it being finished in any other way, outside of 'Dear Leader' being taken down.

[Stryfe]

I'm currently polishing up my Offense Map of North Korea and Offensive Plan...

[AFCadetSteel]

I say we nuke them.

I mean look.

-We have the backing of China and Russia v. NK.
-NK withdrew from the Armistace that ended the Korean War (Though the UN says we are still engaged in the armistace)
-They have around a million troops stationed behind the DMZ, which could invade SK through tunnels that have been built since the end of the Korean War
-They have artillery to shell the hell out of Seoul, killing thousands or hundreds of thousands of civilians.
-According to a leaked DoD document in 2002, NK has met 2 of the 3 reasons to perform a nuclear first strike.
-North Korea is one of the few countries that has the military power and political will to actually wage total war against the US.
-And it wouldn't be hard at all to do. B2's in Guam that have been recently moved from CONUS. We can launch BGM-109 Tomahawks that will hit damn accuratley. Not to mention any SLBM's we have could tear into them from the yellow sea or sea of japan.

And if you think they will actually try and launch a nuke, don't forget we have Patriots in Japan, and now SK. So don't worry 2 much.

[Stryfe]

My plan of action:

The best plan of attack would be to use an invasion force to squash the south of the country from the north. Most of the country is rural and disconnected and mountainous.

In the attached, two invasions would be carried out on the west coast of the peninsula, and one on the east coast. The area around Nampo would be key to having a good supply drop-off and staging zone. The invasion force to the north would capture the inlet to Kaechon. This provides both West forces with ports to unload supplies.

The group north (Magenta) would travel south along the lowlands to 1) Link up with the second invasion force (Yellow) and to secure the south road toward Pyongyang.

Group II (Yellow) would land at Nampo and capture the immediate area. This would likely be the heaviest defended area, which would be pertinent for group North to put pressure on the flanks, and possibly use paratroopers to harass or ensure that bridges are up. The group would split and head north, traveling the Taedong river to cut off the vital waterway for Pyongyang and the road system that feeds the city.

Secondary objective for group Yellow would be to establish a supply line from Munsan in S.Korea, linking up.

On the east coast would be a third invasion site, mostly as a means for logistics. Obviously, the main objectives are on the other side of the peninsula, but the city of Wonsan is a key city in the country. The group's objective would be to capture the key areas, spread out along the beachhead, and send the main force through the major Pyongyang-Wonsan roadway, establishing another supply route branching off to S.Korea.

Speed would be the major key, especially in the mountain passes, to ensure not another "Bridge too Far" situation with the use of paratroopers that would be a necessity in some places.



China won't be a problem because they won't enter on NKs side because they don't want to lose the US as their biggest trading partner. They won't admit it publicly because that would drive Kim badsh!t insane, but they're ready to move on NK at the first sign of a threat against them.

[wukong]

Originally Posted by Stryfe

I'm currently polishing up my Offense Map of North Korea and Offensive Plan...

My young friend you should visit Wonju in South Korea and get a feel for Korean real estate. On that visit take a sight seeing tour of the 3 invasion corridors to Seoul from the North and just imagine what capital improvements that the North may have made on their side of the DMZ. Last you should research the amount of expeditionary lift capability that the US possesses. My guess you are asking a lot from the 3 to 4 brigades for which we have a lift capability.

[devin0116]

Why not do a divide and conquer strategy? But add a 3rd attack meaning.....
Bomb strategic military targets, airbases, barracks, etc... while this is going on have a force A on the west side of korea and force B on the east, they attack simultaneously or close to it, while SK forces backed by American forces move in from the south to north? If you understand. I don't know just throwin stuff out there, I would need to know more details about my situation (U.S.) and theirs.

[wukong]

Neat idea, but how many walk on water?

[AFCadetSteel]

Originally Posted by devin0116

Why not do a divide and conquer strategy? But add a 3rd attack meaning.....
Bomb strategic military targets, airbases, barracks, etc... while this is going on have a force A on the west side of korea and force B on the east, they attack simultaneously or close to it, while SK forces backed by American forces move in from the south to north? If you understand. I don't know just throwin stuff out there, I would need to know more details about my situation (U.S.) and theirs.

One thing alot of you aren't realizing is the size of the US force and the size of NK force on the DMZ.

The North Koreans have almost a million troops on and around the 155 mi long DMZ, and about half of that AD in the main country. Not to mention their citizen security forces and reserves.

The US has around 40K Troops in SK, and SK has an Active Duty force of around 655K

That's one hell of a ground war.

So let's go over some possible scenarios :

Plan A.

US and SK move through South to North through the DMZ

-NK forces rush from the front, while others use incursion tunnels to get behind the Allied force and pin them in crossfire.

-If they do get across, hardened armor NK artillery will fire on them, causing massive damage to Allied forces.

Plan B.

Move a force from Sea of Japan into SK from the East, and a force from China from the west.

First off, no way in hell China is going to allow a large US force onto their land. And if they do, the NK will know about it, and all suprise is out the window.

Not to mention the fact that NK already has surveillence on the Sea of Japan, including regular fly overs by NK Aircraft.


Now these are 2 simplistic plans, much more detail actually invovled but im showing you the weaknesses in them.

Here is my plan on what we should do.


Step 1. Move submarines and Navy ships capable of firing strategic missles into the sea of japan, and yellow sea.

Step 2. Move and prepare Patriot defense systems in Japan and SK incase of NK last will missle attack.

Step 3. Using TOA control, hit all main NK personnel bases on the DMZ. While also firing on

-Pyongyang Airbase
-Koksan Airbase
-Sunchon Airbase
-Ch'o do Airbase
-Changjin-up Air Force Base
-Onchon Airport
-Sunan International Airport

This will seriously cripple their Air Force.

Fire from artillery and long range missles should then be concetrated on Pyongyang, Yongbyon, Wonsong, and Sepo. This will cause turmoil in the NK Gov't and military, also possibly critically destroying one of their major Naval and supply ports.

Long Range Bombers should also help in the destruction of those cities (Anderson AFB in Guam with their B-2's, etc.)

Step 4. The same plan should be done to the Chinese/NK border, and with china's permission, open this border. This will allow the influx of immigrants from down south where most of the heavy fighting is being done, to escape, therefore hopefully minimalizing collateral damage.

Step 5. After the personnel on the DMZ are taken care of, US and SK military should push forward through over the 38th. There should also be a smaller force (5,000) or so, that are moved through the NK incursion tunnels to clear them out.

Step 6. With the NK gov't borded up in their bunkers in Pyongyang, allied forces should be in the clear to move towards the capitol city. Once in the capitol city their main mission would be to capture the ranking members of the NK gov't and Military that are held up there.

Step 7. Hopefully by this time, Kim has gotten fed up and called it quits. They surrendor, game over.

Now if they don't surrender? Then it's total war time baby.

[wukong]

Find out how much of South Korea's civilian population (ie Seoul) is within NK artillery range. Formulate a plan to handle massive civilian casualties plus millions of refugees streaming South on the Main Supply Route.