Does your unit have this kid?

[Drill for life]

Does your unit have a cadet who thinks he's so bad. He whines all the time, lies abut everything and everybody in your grade hates him. We have a cadet like that. Last week LET one's got promoted to PVT2 and we don't like him and he has two uniform reformalls so we didn't promote him. The next day his mom came in and yelled at our SAI,AI and Myself. That stuff makes me mad, If your kid can't sit still and be quiet in my uniform he doesn't deserve rank.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

We did... he's out of the program and he moved, but basically, here's how things rolled:

1. His dad was a Command Sergeant Major.
2. Due to his father being a Command Sergeant Major, he believed that he could do all the crap he wanted to and not get in trouble for it.
3. Also, due to his father being a Command Sergeant Major, he thought that any answer he given HAD to be right.

I was practically his exact opposite... if I screwed up, my AI would tell my Dad when they worked out, and then I'd get chewed out twice in one day!

[-BuLL-]

Why would she yell at you? Just listen and make the right decision. I've had parents come ask me why their child isnt competing or isnt doing something and I just tell them he/she isnt good enough(or whatever the reason). They may still be upset but it is a student led organization.

[Drill for life]

I have no clue I was just standing there and she yelled at me and said I was the reason why her son is picked on. Come on lady have you heard your son talk?:duh:

[TruBlu]

My unit is full of cadets that don't want to be there for what AFJROTC, and JROTC in general, is really meant to be. I won't get into it a whole lot, but I've got a few cadets who are disgraceful, plain and simple. One example of a cadet in our unit (and there are many more like her, but I just want to state what I think is the worst thing a cadet has done in my unit):

Last Tuesday, that would be October 28, our unit was able to go on an Air Force Base trip. At one point, on the way to the flight line after lunch to check out some planes in person, a c/2dLt, and a good friend of mine, was putting a seat up in the Air Force bus (probably shouldn't have messed with it but we needed the seating) and almost cut off the top portion of his index finger (it was split through with only some skin attached, but they were able to fix him up at the ER later that day). Needless to say, the flight line visit was scrubbed and we had to attend to him.

Anyways, he had his phone on the bus but did not grab it (his finger was about to fall off, he forgot it). Another cadet, a c/Amn first year grabbed it without anyone knowing (this is the girl, and she holds no respect for officers or senior enlisted or anyone for that matter). When we arrived at the school, we asked about the phone because it was no where to be found on the bus, but no one spoke up about it. At that point, we had figured it was lost in the confusion. We formed everyone up and asked about it again, and relying on our cadet code of conduct (we shall not lie, cheat, or steal, nor tolerate those who do) when no answer was given, they were dismissed. Later that day, she started texting people from his phone in his contacts saying all sorts of vulgar and absurd things (I received a few myself and knew it was not him). Well, the next day she turned it in and was pardoned (that's right pardoned) by the SASI.

She had stolen from another cadet. Lied to everyone about it. And cheated a system that protected her. And to think, the cadet she stole it from almost lost part of his body to try and help out another cadet in that situation. I have a massive problem with cadets like this, and there are plenty more. But the worst part about the whole thing with any cadet in our unit is this: we can't kick them out of JROTC because if we kick out those that do not deserve to be there, we wouldn't have a unit.

When you are faced with cadets that are placed in categories like this, you throw yourself out there to try and amend situations and develop a system that will keep these from happening again. Some things are unavoidable, you will always have a "worst cadet" because everyone can't be the best. What we must do as cadets and commanders is look past what you cannot change, and attempt to develop the cadets that truly deserve to be there. I have found that investing time in cadets who want to learn and want to perform far outweighs any amount of time invested in cadets who do not want to.

[Drill for life]

My unit is full of cadets that don't want to be there for what AFJROTC, and JROTC in general, is really meant to be. I won't get into it a whole lot, but I've got a few cadets who are disgraceful, plain and simple. One example of a cadet in our unit (and there are many more like her, but I just want to state what I think is the worst thing a cadet has done in my unit):

Last Tuesday, that would be October 28, our unit was able to go on an Air Force Base trip. At one point, on the way to the flight line after lunch to check out some planes in person, a c/2dLt, and a good friend of mine, was putting a seat up in the Air Force bus (probably shouldn't have messed with it but we needed the seating) and almost cut off the top portion of his index finger (it was split through with only some skin attached, but they were able to fix him up at the ER later that day). Needless to say, the flight line visit was scrubbed and we had to attend to him.

Anyways, he had his phone on the bus but did not grab it (his finger was about to fall off, he forgot it). Another cadet, a c/Amn first year grabbed it without anyone knowing (this is the girl, and she holds no respect for officers or senior enlisted or anyone for that matter). When we arrived at the school, we asked about the phone because it was no where to be found on the bus, but no one spoke up about it. At that point, we had figured it was lost in the confusion. We formed everyone up and asked about it again, and relying on our cadet code of conduct (we shall not lie, cheat, or steal, nor tolerate those who do) when no answer was given, they were dismissed. Later that day, she started texting people from his phone in his contacts saying all sorts of vulgar and absurd things (I received a few myself and knew it was not him). Well, the next day she turned it in and was pardoned (that's right pardoned) by the SASI.

She had stolen from another cadet. Lied to everyone about it. And cheated a system that protected her. And to think, the cadet she stole it from almost lost part of his body to try and help out another cadet in that situation. I have a massive problem with cadets like this, and there are plenty more. But the worst part about the whole thing with any cadet in our unit is this: we can't kick them out of JROTC because if we kick out those that do not deserve to be there, we wouldn't have a unit.

When you are faced with cadets that are placed in categories like this, you throw yourself out there to try and amend situations and develop a system that will keep these from happening again. Some things are unavoidable, you will always have a "worst cadet" because everyone can't be the best. What we must do as cadets and commanders is look past what you cannot change, and attempt to develop the cadets that truly deserve to be there. I have found that investing time in cadets who want to learn and want to perform far outweighs any amount of time invested in cadets who do not want to.

Man that is bad. WE do have cadwt's that steal the Leaders in my unit's stuff. My LET one year a cadet let in this burglarto steal our Units' program.

[flyBoy2010]

While we have never had anyone quite like that we do have some problems...
The first week of school I found one of the Freshmen in my class cussing up a storm. We have a strict no swearing policy (5 push-ups per word) in our corps. Being the first week of school the Freshmen didn't know about the rule. I then gave him a warning not to do it again. About 5 minutes later I heard him swear again, so I walked up to him and asked for the push-ups. His response:"I can't do 5 push-ups. The most I've ever done at one time is 4." I was thinking to myself, boy this kid is in for a long year. Anyway, he ended up weaseling out of the push-ups, only doing 2.:mad: Later that month, we did our E2C initial assessment, and this kid did 25 push-ups in one minute. This kid tries to get out of doing anything he doesn't want to do, and his dad's a Marine so he thinks that he's a bada** and it's really starting to tick the upperclassmen off.

[Drill for life]

While we have never had anyone quite like that we do have some problems...
The first week of school I found one of the Freshmen in my class cussing up a storm. We have a strict no swearing policy (5 push-ups per word) in our corps. Being the first week of school the Freshmen didn't know about the rule. I then gave him a warning not to do it again. About 5 minutes later I heard him swear again, so I walked up to him and asked for the push-ups. His response:"I can't do 5 push-ups. The most I've ever done at one time is 4." I was thinking to myself, boy this kid is in for a long year. Anyway, he ended up weaseling out of the push-ups, only doing 2.:mad: Later that month, we did our E2C initial assessment, and this kid did 25 push-ups in one minute. This kid tries to get out of doing anything he doesn't want to do, and his dad's a Marine so he thinks that he's a bada** and it's really starting to tick the upperclassmen off.

Put this cadet in a room with me and I'll teach him respect for that uniform and for the Corps his father is serving in. Just because your father(or mother) is in the military doesn't mean your better thatn anybody. When you join the Military(as myself) that is different.

[TruBlu]

While we have never had anyone quite like that we do have some problems...
The first week of school I found one of the Freshmen in my class cussing up a storm. We have a strict no swearing policy (5 push-ups per word) in our corps. Being the first week of school the Freshmen didn't know about the rule. I then gave him a warning not to do it again. About 5 minutes later I heard him swear again, so I walked up to him and asked for the push-ups. His response:"I can't do 5 push-ups. The most I've ever done at one time is 4." I was thinking to myself, boy this kid is in for a long year. Anyway, he ended up weaseling out of the push-ups, only doing 2.:mad: Later that month, we did our E2C initial assessment, and this kid did 25 push-ups in one minute. This kid tries to get out of doing anything he doesn't want to do, and his dad's a Marine so he thinks that he's a bada** and it's really starting to tick the upperclassmen off.

Just to let you know, the Air Force now considers "dropping cadets" as a form of hazing is not allowed anymore. Push ups on demand are seen as "demeaning" now. Sorry I don't have a source to site, except for a ton of unit handbooks (I'm sure its in yours if its kept up with) which I will certainly site through PMs, but I don't want to post unit links here because that may be on thin ice with the CPP.

[Drill for life]

We're not allowed to drop cadets in class but what we do is we make em drop outside of class, the supply room, the arms room, the hall way, the bathroom, the gym, basically anywhere we see that cadet again.

[TruBlu]

We're not allowed to drop cadets in class but what we do is we make em drop outside of class, the supply room, the arms room, the hall way, the bathroom, the gym, basically anywhere we see that cadet again.

I don't know AJROTC regulation enough to refute your statement, but AFJROTC policy is strict in that sense. You may not as a cadet "drop" another cadet in the AFJROTC.

[flyBoy2010]

We don't make the cadets drop in front of the class. We simply take them out to the hallway near the end of class where no one else can see and have them drop there. We're not making them drop on demand, the "push-ups for swearing" rule was set up by our SASI and Corps Commander, and I really don't see how that's hazing, it's simply a form of punishment that cadet officers and senior enlisted can give out, since there really isn't much else they can do. Students can't hand out detention, ISI, etc.

[TruBlu]

We don't make the cadets drop in front of the class. We simply take them out to the hallway near the end of class where no one else can see and have them drop there. We're not making them drop on demand, the "push-ups for swearing" rule was set up by our SASI and Corps Commander, and I really don't see how that's hazing, it's simply a form of punishment that cadet officers and senior enlisted can give out, since there really isn't much else they can do. Students can't hand out detention, ISI, etc.

I understand, I'm just saying what the Air Force has mandated. I personally agree with "dropping" cadets as a form of reprimand. There is only one time where I disagree with it, when cadets dole out the push ups do not follow suit and do their own because there is no one around to dish them out to him/her. That's the primary reason why I've stopped my corps from practicing it. But there is one possible loop hole: for voluntary activities (outside of the class itself even though it is voluntary) like teams and training exercises, cadets should be able to "drop" other cadets as long as that is stated before anything happens and all cadets understand it. I've seen this in use for drill teams with dropping rifles and orienteering teams for slow run times or missed navigation. The reason why voluntary activities does not include the class is because when students sign up to become cadets in the AFJROTC, there isn't a push up policy note in the class description.

[Drill for life]

I understand, I'm just saying what the Air Force has mandated. I personally agree with "dropping" cadets as a form of reprimand. There is only one time where I disagree with it, when cadets dole out the push ups do not follow suit and do their own because there is no one around to dish them out to him/her. That's the primary reason why I've stopped my corps from practicing it. But there is one possible loop hole: for voluntary activities (outside of the class itself even though it is voluntary) like teams and training exercises, cadets should be able to "drop" other cadets as long as that is stated before anything happens and all cadets understand it. I've seen this in use for drill teams with dropping rifles and orienteering teams for slow run times or missed navigation. The reason why voluntary activities does not include the class is because when students sign up to become cadets in the AFJROTC, there isn't a push up policy note in the class description.

I totally agree with you. If a cadet vouluntarily comes out to a Practice of some sort then we should make them drop. I think we should be able to go beyond Push-ups and things morealong the lines Bear Crawls, Marine Knock-outs, Duck squats.

[flyBoy2010]

I think we should be able to go beyond Push-ups and things morealong the lines Bear Crawls, Marine Knock-outs, Duck squats.

If you did that you may loose a lot of cadets, even the dedicated ones.

[El Supremo]

Does your unti have a cadet who thinks he's so bad. He whines all the time, lies abut everything and everybody in your grade hates him. We have a cadet like that. Last week LET one's got promoted to PVT2 and we don't like him and he has two uniform reformalls so we didn't promote him. The next day his mom came in and yelled at our SAI,AI and Myself. That stuff makes me mad, If your kid can't sit still and be quiet in my uniform he doesn't deserve rank.

I had a cadet just like that! I couldnt stand the kid. (this is back in the day when I was a Cadet Staff Sergeant) All he would ever do, was complain about the First Sergeant being to strict, never do what he's supposed to, he'd be real quickly to criticize and then not do a thing about it. We took the kids crest, let alone not give him rank.

[El Supremo]

I totally agree with you. If a cadet vouluntarily comes out to a Practice of some sort then we should make them drop. I think we should be able to go beyond Push-ups and things morealong the lines Bear Crawls, Marine Knock-outs, Duck squats.

(This was last year when I was a Cadet Company Commander in AJROTC) One day during drill practice (during class). A cadet was being to fidgety, and talkative in formation. (He though he could get away with it because he was the Major's grandson) I made him hold our 12 lbs M-1 over his head, and run circles around his squad while they marched...

That was the last peep, or secondary movement I had ever seen from the kid.

[Drill for life]

I had a cadet just like that! I couldnt stand the kid. (this is back in the day when I was a Staff Sergeant) All he would ever do, was complain about the First Sergeant being to strict, never do what he's supposed to, he'd be real quickly to criticize and then not do a thing about it. We took the kids crest, let alone not give him rank.

When you say "crest" you are talking about your schools crest? In my unit we have to buy that. Everyone of our cadets complain about our SAI they say he talks to much.

[El Supremo]

When you say "crest" you are talking about your schools crest? In my unit we have to buy that. Everyone of our cadets complain about our SAI they say he talks to much.

It comes with issuing of the Uniform, and to have it taken by your commander is considered a huge act of shame. Also the S-1 files that you will not be admitted back into the program the following year, or semmester.

Crests can be earned back though.

[C/ZOOMIE]

This is why I love CAP. For some reason I NEVER find the need to drop my cadet's. Although I've had a few though the problem is it's illegal to give a cadet any form of punishment......