Trivia Time!

[Drill for life]

I'm up for a challenge.

http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/picture.php?albumid=59&pictureid=342

http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/picture.php?albumid=59&pictureid=343



http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/picture.php?albumid=59&pictureid=341

Okay, the grunt.com doesn't allow for attachments. The following is the information for the attachments:

1. I have 24 total years of military service.
2. I was on all Gulf War Operations in 1990 and 1991.
2. I completed 3 long tours overseas and 1 short tour.
3. In addition to the individual awards I've earned:

2 AF Commedation Medals
2 AF Achievement Medals
10 AF Outstanding Unit Awards
2 Combat Readiness Medals
4 Good Conduct Medals
5 Humanitarian Service Medals
and I've shot Expert in both Pistol and Rifle.

What attachments should be on each medal?

What branch of service was I in?

I retired in 1999, what era veteran am I classified as?

That should keep you occupied.

Do you rate a Army Service Ribbon (Seeing the ACM and the AGCM). Just curious.

[devin0116]

OLC = Oak Leaf Cluster. Does that help?

Indeed it does, I edited it a bit as well. Thank You.

[JohnP]

Do you rate a Army Service Ribbon (Seeing the ACM and the AGCM). Just curious.


No sir, I don't meet the reqirements for that ribbon.

As for the answers:

Air Force Commendation Medal – 1 Bronze Oak Leaf Cluster
Air Force Achievement Medal – 1 OLC
Air Force Outstanding Unit Award – Silver OLC, 4 Bronze OLC
Air Force Combat Readiness Medal – 1 OLC
Air Force Good Conduct Medal – 3 OLC
Southwest Area Service Medal – 3 Bronze Star Devices
Air Force Humanitarian Service Medal – Number “5” Device
Air Force Overseas Long Tour – 1 OLC
Air Force Small Arms Marksmanship Medal – 1 Bronze Star Device

Cold War Era Veteran is the correct answer. Though I enlisted in 1976 and was eligible for the Viet Nam era GI bill, I was too young to participate in that Theater.

The question of my service is loaded. I spent a total of 12 years of active service with the Air Force. I spent 6 years in the New Mexico Air National Guard and 6 years with the Texas Army National Guard. Gruntsmilitary.com doesn’t have the Texas or New Mexico medals on the site or it would have been more interesting with the addition of 5 more medals.

As a side note, the Army Commendation Medal and the Army Achievement medal were awarded while I was in the Air Force, assigned to US Army units.

I enjoy those who wish to go from blue to green, there are units within the US Air Force that already do that.

[armysc_25b]

Do you rate a Army Service Ribbon (Seeing the ACM and the AGCM). Just curious.

Just because he has a Commendation and Good Conduct Medal doesn't mean it's of the Army nature. Each service has it's own Commendation and Good Conduct Medal. Also, it is possible for one to be awarded a medal for a service in which they've never served. For example, many moons ago we had a Sailor working in my shop who was awarded an Army Achievement Medal for something he did.

[Billyd]

Here it goes.

1.Longevity-1 Silver and 1 Bronze Oak Leaf Cluster
Long Tour- Triple Bronze Oak Leaf Cluster
Short Tour- None
AF Commendation Medal-1 Bronze Oak Leaf Cluster
AF Achievement Medal- 1 Bronze Oak Leaf Cluster
AF Outstanding Unit Award- 2 Silver Oak Leaf Clusters
Combat Readiness Medal-1 Bronze Oak Leaf Cluster
Good Conduct Medal-4 Bronze Oak Leaf Clusters
Humanitarian Service Medal-1 Silver Star
Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon- 1 Bronze Star
I am also going to assume that you have:
Kuwait Liberation Medal (Saudi Arabia)
Kuwait Liberation Medal (Emirate of Kuwait)

2.United States Air Force, unless you play some mean trick on me.

3.Going out on a limb and say Cold War.

I see you still have a couple incorrect. Somebody wan to give devin0116 a hand?

[TruBlu]

JohnP has already given the answers plus some. I believe all questions have been answered and the table is clean, clear, and ready for more.

[devin0116]

Well that was a bit difficult:D, but I enjoyed it. Why just OLC why not Bronze or silver on some? Also, why "5" device on Humanitarian Service Medal?

c. A bronze star is worn on the ribbon to indicate subsequent awards of the Humanitarian Service Medal.

I got that off of Grunt's.

[Billyd]

My appologies. I missed JohnP's response with the answers. As to OLCs vice numerals, you need to read the particular directive that covers the issuance of each award as to how subsequent awards are denoted.

As to our next question, try this one on for size. Please identify the gentlemen in the accompanying photo.

http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/picture.php?albumid=55&pictureid=330

[Billyd]

WOW, almost 24-hours and no takers? Or did I finally stump you all? TruBlu, I figured you would have ventured a guess by now. Do I need to provide hint? How about it, anyone up to the challenge? :devil:

[TruBlu]

No I just haven't had time for the research, but I've got it now.

Mystery brothers are Wilbur and Orville Wright, the first men to successfully accomplish the first heavier-than-air, machine powered flight in the world. On a side note, the flight itself was done by Orville Wright.

Source: http://www.af.mil/history/person.asp?dec=&pid=123006468

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

*Wright. :P

[TruBlu]

I should be disqualified just for that lol! Thanks for the tip off.

[armysc_25b]

As we all either know or have heard, your health and physical condition are very important in the military. For your physical condition, the Army uses a code, known as PULHES, to assist in tracking this. My PULHES is currently 112111.

Part 1: Explain what PULHES is, and what my current code indicates.
Part 2: Based on the requirements for my MOS, explain what would happen if my L code became a 3.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

Whoops, lol. I have the answer. XD

[Billyd]

Whoops, lol. I have the answer. XD

Well, keep it to yourself for just a bit longer and then we will check it.

Good job to TruBlu and Buffa1oso1di3r on their collaboration in getting the answer to the most recent photo. (Yes, I saw that. The Sarge sees all :devil:)

Anyway, I shall return in a bit with another question in search of an answer, or would that be an answer is search of a question? Hmmm, I guess I'll need to ponder that for a bit.

[Drill for life]

No sir, I don't meet the reqirements for that ribbon.

As for the answers:

Air Force Commendation Medal – 1 Bronze Oak Leaf Cluster
Air Force Achievement Medal – 1 OLC
Air Force Outstanding Unit Award – Silver OLC, 4 Bronze OLC
Air Force Combat Readiness Medal – 1 OLC
Air Force Good Conduct Medal – 3 OLC
Southwest Area Service Medal – 3 Bronze Star Devices
Air Force Humanitarian Service Medal – Number “5” Device
Air Force Overseas Long Tour – 1 OLC
Air Force Small Arms Marksmanship Medal – 1 Bronze Star Device

Cold War Era Veteran is the correct answer. Though I enlisted in 1976 and was eligible for the Viet Nam era GI bill, I was too young to participate in that Theater.

The question of my service is loaded. I spent a total of 12 years of active service with the Air Force. I spent 6 years in the New Mexico Air National Guard and 6 years with the Texas Army National Guard. Gruntsmilitary.com doesn’t have the Texas or New Mexico medals on the site or it would have been more interesting with the addition of 5 more medals.

As a side note, the Army Commendation Medal and the Army Achievement medal were awarded while I was in the Air Force, assigned to US Army units.

I enjoy those who wish to go from blue to green, there are units within the US Air Force that already do that.

I don't know if this is wrong but wouldn't you have Joint Service Commedation and Achievement medals or is that when you are assigned to a Joint Service project and not just to a US Army unit?

I don't rate sir and never will. Thank you for serving sir, I can't express how much it means to me. What was your rank when you retired?

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

As we all either know or have heard, your health and physical condition are very important in the military. For your physical condition, the Army uses a code, known as PULHES, to assist in tracking this. My PULHES is currently 112111.

Part 1: Explain what PULHES is, and what my current code indicates.
Part 2: Based on the requirements for my MOS, explain what would happen if my L code became a 3.

Basically, PULHES is a system to make sure that military members are qualified for certain jobs, as well as enlistment, and it's official name is the Military Phsyical Profile Serial System. What it stands for:

P: Physical Capacity/Stamina
U:Upper Extremities
L: Lower Extremities
H: Hearing/Ears
E: Eyes
S: Psychiatric

Your current code indicates that you're perfectly fit in all areas save your Lower Extremities, in which you have some disability/medical condition that may affect your work, specifically:

Slightly limited mobility of joints, muscular weakness, or other musculo-skeletal defects that do not prevent moderate marching, climbing, timed walking, or prolonged effort.

If your L code became a 3 (the highest you can go for your MOS is a 2, according to my research), you would be placed on limited duty, and if you attempted to enlist with a 3, you would be DQ'd.

Although, 25B, I thought your PULHES was 11111 a few months ago... what happened?

[PhilK]

Alright...time for me to get back in the game a little bit:

Name the following three Army branch insignia:

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

Acquisition Corps, Armor, and General Staff.

[PhilK]

Acquisition Corps, Armor, and General Staff.

Correct...

[Billyd]

Uh oh! Looks like Buffa1oso1di3r is on FIRE right now. Guess we will have to find a way to stump him as well. All right, here is one that just popped up for me.

Up until July 1948, women were not permitted to serve in the newly minted United States Air Force. That changed on July 8, 1948. Who was the first woman to enlist in our Air Force?

[armysc_25b]

If your L code became a 3 (the highest you can go for your MOS is a 2, according to my research), you would be placed on limited duty, and if you attempted to enlist with a 3, you would be DQ'd.

Although, 25B, I thought your PULHES was 11111 a few months ago... what happened?

Correct on part 1, partial credit on part 2. There's more than "light duty" once that number becomes a 3.

As far as what happened, see my "Quick Update" thread. I did leave one detail out of there, however, and that is I now ride a bicycle for 6.2 miles for my PT Test.

[armysc_25b]

I don't know if this is wrong but wouldn't you have Joint Service Commedation and Achievement medals or is that when you are assigned to a Joint Service project and not just to a US Army unit?


The only time you are up for consideration for a joint service award is when you are serving in a duty position that supports a joint service environment. I'm in one of those duty positions, so when I get my "thanks for being here, here's your medal" AKA PCS award, it'll be a joint service award, and not an Army award. However, just because we're in a joint service environment doesn't mean everyone's entitled to said type of award. Our personnel section only supports our Army unit, so they're not authorized to receive a joint award.

[TruBlu]

I've got it: Staff Sergeant Esther M. Blake. She became the "first woman in the Air Force" when she enlisted in the first minute of the first hour on 8 July 1948.

Source: http://www.af.mil/history/spotlight.asp?id=123138026

[Billyd]

I've got it: Staff Sergeant Esther M. Blake. She became the "first woman in the Air Force" when she enlisted in the first minute of the first hour on 8 July 1948.

Source: http://www.af.mil/history/spotlight.asp?id=123138026

Well done and too easy I know. Try this one on for size. In 2007, Sheppard AFB started saying goodbye to a beloved friend. On October 2nd of that year an historic event took place. This first jet for many pilots has served well and will be missed by all who flew her. You task, should you decide to accept it, is to identify:

A/C Type:
Nickname:
Event:

Good luck!

[TruBlu]

The aircraft was the T-37 aka Tweet. The final flight was a four ship formation, a rarity for those who took part in the flight.

Source: http://www.sheppard.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123070632&page=3

[Billyd]

The aircraft was the T-37 aka Tweet. The final flight was a four ship formation, a rarity for those who took part in the flight.

Source: http://www.sheppard.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123070632&page=3


Well done. Yes indeed, the T-37 is the aircraft. Right after I posted this question, our own JohnP PM'd me to let me know that it was a joy in to fly in (he got to sit in the right seat a couple of times).

Tell me, TruBlu, how long did it take you to find that article? That was one of the longest times between question and answer I have seen.

http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/picture.php?albumid=55&pictureid=366

As you can see, I found another photo. This is a toughie and will not be easy to find, so the right answer will earn the right to post your very own trivia question. Good luck.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

It looks like a UAV Ground Control Station...

[Billyd]

It looks like a UAV Ground Control Station...

It is not a UAV Ground Control Station.

[Billyd]

http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/picture.php?albumid=55&pictureid=366

As you can see, I found another photo. This is a toughie and will not be easy to find, so the right answer will earn the right to post your very own trivia question. Good luck.

I see we are at about 21 hours and we have only had one try at this one. I'll see if I can find a hint for you. Maybe 03 can provide a clue.

[TruBlu]

Tell me, TruBlu, how long did it take you to find that article? That was one of the longest times between question and answer I have seen.

I'm trying to back off and see if other members of the board will jump in on this also. As to finding the article, it was relatively easy: Went to the Sheppard AFB subdomain of the USAF website and then went to their news section. I narrowed it to October 2007 and then looked around and found it posted only a day or two after the event.

As to this next one, I'm here and I'm looking so don't post up the answer yet!

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

I'm looking, and it looks remotely familiar for some reason... probably saw it at a museum... but I can't remember what...

[TruBlu]

It's definitely on display, you can see the glass plating in the foreground as well as a picture of an airman operating it in the top right-hand corner. Try refining your search to look for the key word console and see what comes up.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

That's what I've been doing ever since I've seen it. :P

Alright, I have another guess...

A Minuteman Missile Launch/Control Console.

[Billyd]

That's what I've been doing ever since I've seen it. :P

Alright, I have another guess...

A Minuteman Missile Launch/Control Console.

That's it. It is the Deputy Missile Crew Commander's position from a Minuteman Launch Control Center. While we wait for Buffa1oso1di3r to provide his question, here is a tribute to all that have served as a missileer as well as those that supported them:

MISSILEER

In vacant corners of our land, off rutted gravel trails,
There is a watchful breed of men who see that peace prevails.
For them there are no waving flags, no blare of martial tune;
There is no romance in their job, no glory at high noon.

In an oft' repeated ritual, they casually hang their locks,
Where the wages of man's love and hate, are restrained in a small red box.
In a world of flick'ring colored lights, and endless robot din,
The missile crews will talk awhile, but soon will turn within.

To a flash of light or other worldly tone, conditioned acts respond.
Behind each move, unspoken thoughts, of the bombs that lie beyond.
They live with patient waiting, with tactics, minds infused,
And the quiet murmur of the heart, that hopes it's never used.

They feel the living throb, of the mindless tool they run,
They hear the constant whir, of a world that knows no sun.
Here light is ever present, no moon's nocturnal sway;
The clock's unnatural beat, belies not night nor day.

Behind a concrete door slammed shut, no starlit skies of night,
No sun-bleached clouds in azure sky, in which to dance in flight.
But certain as the rising sun, these tacit warriors seldom see,
They're ever grimly ready, for someone has to be.

Beneath it all they're common men, who eat and sleep and dream,
But between them is a common bond, of knowledge they're a team.
A group of men who love their land, who serve it long and well,
Who stand their thankless vigil, on the brink of man-made hell.

In boredom fluxed with stress, encapsuled they reside,
They do their job without compaint of pleasures oft' denied.
For duty, honor, country, and a matter of self-pride.

Capt. Robert A. Wyckoff

[TruBlu]

Nice find Buffalo, I was about to start searching for missile control systems when I thought, "Radar? Oh man I'm retarded, how about missi..., oh wait Buffalo got it..." Looking forward to seeing if I can't bust your question.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

Alright, fellow cadets. Following BillyD's idea, I'm going to post a picture of a man, and I want his name, and his notable achievement. I'm pretty sure some of the older gentlemen on the forum would be able to recognize him on sight.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll38/zomgzAJ/Thatguy2.jpg

Hint -- He wasn't always in the SS. ;)

[armysc_25b]

I got a good guess at who it is. But in the favor of allowing the cadets to answer, and to save face with age (I'm not old yet!), I'll hold back on my answer...

[Drill for life]

I know it but the two hours aren't up. I will probaly forget and go to sleep.

PM inbound Buffa1oso1di3r.

[TruBlu]

Have at it, I've searched and searched but I can't find it... You've beaten me man... DFL or 25B want to chime in their answers?

[Drill for life]

I already know it, but I don't want to answer it.

Why do hunters hunt?

A: For the catch?

B: For the fun and thrill?

The answer is B. Look it up an learn, that is the fun part:D. You will get it Trublu.

[armysc_25b]

Have at it, I've searched and searched but I can't find it... You've beaten me man... DFL or 25B want to chime in their answers?
This is for the cadets, so I think that I'll keep my answer locked away.

HINT: If it is who I think it is and I didn't screw something up, you're probably looking too hard for the answer. I looked at the picture, and a name instantly came to mind.

[Drill for life]

I want to say it is Wernher von Braun because he was a Major person in the development of NASA and had a U.S. Army Career. That's my guess.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

I want to say it is Wernher von Braun because he was a Major person in the development of NASA and had a U.S. Army Career. That's my guess.

Sadly, it's not Wernher von Braun, Drill.

With the excess time, I have another hint, which is going to be nearly a dead giveaway, but, here it is:

The main character of The Green Berets (both the book and slightly in the movie) is based on him.

[TruBlu]

Larry Thorne aka Lauri Törni who joined the US Military under the Lodge-Philbin Act which guaranteed foreigners who served in the US Military for five years citizen ship in the US.

Without that hint I would have never discovered it though. I was searching for things like Nazi SS Untersturmführer and things like that. :sleepy:

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

Good job, TruBlu! What's quite strange is how I found out about Larry Thorne, but, if I posted it, it would violate the CPP.

What I found interesting about him is how he fought for three different Armies during his life, the Finnish Army, the German Army, and the US Army, and he was in Special Forces in Germany and the US Army, and while in the Finnish Army had a bounty on his head.

Now, I turn this thread back to the adults.

[devin0116]

I was searching for 3rd SS (totenkopf) division Knight's Cross Awardees and such.

[TruBlu]

Well at least we know a few others are taking a look at this thread lol!

[Billyd]

Well done all. I know this will be an easy one, but what USAAC pilot was known as the "Ace of Aces?" To keep it interesting, let's see who knows his MIDDLE name. And remember, this is a military forum so his military rank is required. Also, what type of airplane he flew would be an interesting fact to know. Good luck.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

Major Richard Ira Bong, who flew a P-38 Lightning. He died on the same day the atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, flying a P-80 Shooting Star as a test pilot.

[Billyd]

Major Richard Ira Bong, who flew a P-38 Lightning. He died on the same day the atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, flying a P-80 Shooting Star as a test pilot.

I was thinking of a pilot from WWI, but this answer is correct as well. I was thinking of Capt Edward V. Rickenbacker, who in WWI, had 26 kills. Now, who was the first jet ace and in what aircraft did he score the kill that made him an ace. And how many kills did he eventually have?

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

Ah. I was thinking of Rickenbacker as well, but, I wasn't sure because he was in the US Army Air Service, so, I ran with Ira Bong from WWII.

For the first Jet Ace -- Major James Jabara, flying an F-86, and became a triple ace, with fifteen kills.

[PhilK]

Alright...another round of Army branch insignia:

[Drill for life]

1.General Staff
2.Military Intelligence
3.Tank and Armor(obsolete)

[PhilK]

1.General Staff
2.Military Intelligence
3.Tank and Armor(obsolete)

Correct....

I'm going to have to make these harder.

[armysc_25b]

Or make sure you don't have the names of the insignia as the file name, Sir...

[PhilK]

Or make sure you don't have the names of the insignia as the file name, Sir...

True...

Alright try these:

[Drill for life]

1.Army Security(obsolete)
2.Civil Affairs
3.National Guard bureau

[TruBlu]

Tisk Tisk, you posted within the two hour time frame... ;)

[Drill for life]

Oh I just saw two o clock on PhilK's and I just posted because it was four o clock.

[Billyd]

As many of you may know, March is Women's History Month and so I have found a photograph of four women. Your task, should you decide to accept it is to identify the four women, rank (if known), and what they did while in the service.

http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/picture.php?albumid=55&pictureid=377

Have fun and let's see if one of our female cadets can provide an answer here. JROTCdudett, space3math, I am calling you out.

[TruBlu]

Well I've got it, I'll be PM'ing the Sergeant with the answer, but because of the call out, I'm not going to publicly post the answer. Good luck ladies!

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

Haven't looked here since early morning yesterday, but, I have the answers as well.

Because of the calling out, I won't post.

(BTW, Sir, you made it way too easy.)

[Drill for life]

I have a question...... do the females on the forum even know you asked them to answer this question?

P.S. I don't mean any disrespect just asking.

[Billyd]

Haven't looked here since early morning yesterday, but, I have the answers as well.

Because of the calling out, I won't post.

(BTW, Sir, you made it way too easy.)

I realize it is easy, but as stated, this is Women's History Month and therefore deserving of posting. And yes, I do realize that a couple of you have discovered my source, but there is still work required to find the answers required.

[Billyd]

I have a question...... do the females on the forum even know you asked them to answer this question?

P.S. I don't mean any disrespect just asking.

I hope that they check the thread on a regular basis as some of the rest of you do. However, the cadets in question have been notified of the challenge.

[space3math]

Sorry for the delay, haven't logged on in a few days! Thanks for the challenge BillyD. :D

From left to right:

Mary Anna Martin "Marty" Wyall - WASP, in the program's final graduating class (1944); flew AT-6, BT-13, PT-19

Vanessa Sheffield, Sgt - one of few women in maintenance in late 1970s; maintained C-130s

Betty Huyler Gillies - first woman to qualify for Women's Auxiliary Ferrying Squadron (1942); first woman to fly the P-47; WAFS (later called WASP) squadron leader; had previously served as president of the Ninety-Nines

Nicole Malachowski, Maj - callsign "FiFi"; first female pilot for any military jet aerial demonstration team; flew Thunderbird 3 slot (Mar 2006 - Nov 2007); in high school, participated in CAP and AFJROTC; Air Force Academy grad


Those are some pretty impressive ladies to admire and model!

[TruBlu]

And the crowd goes wild! I was about to post up the answer because you ladies fell off the radar for a little. Lets see what the good Sergeant can't think of next... ;)

[Billyd]

Very good! That was more information than I had. Thanks for checking in and participating.

I'll return with a new challenge in a little bit. I have something in mind and hope it will come off as I intend. See you then.

[Billyd]

LOST! Well, is seems your Trivia Master decided to take a flight and got a bit turned around and I need some help figuring out where I am. I am flying on a heading of 180, but unfortunately the rest of my instruments decided to fail all at once. Here is what I can see out the windscreen, What looks to be a rather wide river or canal, what looks to be an island with another large body of water beyond it.

Hold on a sec, I see an airfield below me, let me see if I can get a pic;
http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/picture.php?albumid=66&pictureid=381

There, how's that?

Can you help the old Sarge figure out where he is and what airfield is below?

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

You are flying over Hurlburt Field, Florida.

[Billyd]

Yes indeed, that is Hurlburt Field, home to Air Force Special Operations and from where your not so humble Trivia Master retired from active duty. But, as you can see, I once again have found myself astray from my flight plan. I am on a heading of 360 over some lush green hills and I recall seeing a large lake a while back. And this seems to be either farming or cattle country.

http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/picture.php?albumid=66&pictureid=382

Can you help me navigate my way back home? Where am I?

[03_SHOOTER]

Damn buddy, you might want to buy a road atlas and start flying IFR (I Follow Roads)!! :D

[Billyd]

Damn buddy, you might want to buy a road atlas and start flying IFR (I Follow Roads)!! :D


That's funny, I don't care who you are :p But do you know where I am? If I recall correctly, you were once stationed fairly close by.

[03_SHOOTER]

Yup, I know exactly where you are, and if you'll look out of the cockpit windows, you'll find a 'locked and cocket' F-16 on each wing who are there to escort you out of the area!!

Once you clear Whiteman air space, I would suggest that you take a heading of 295 for approx. 65 miles which will put you in the pattern for KCI, where you can refuel, get some lunch, and BUY AN ATLAS!! :D

[Billyd]

Yes indeed, I am over Whiteman AFB in Knobnoster, MO and home to what aircraft? After the answer to that little question, I'll fly a different heading and see where I end up.

Wonder where those 16's came from. I know there are none stationed in the area so those boys/girls must be tired. Let them know that the Joe's on me:)

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

The B-2 Spirit Bomber!

[03_SHOOTER]

Wonder where those 16's came from. I know there are none stationed in the area so those boys/girls must be tired. Let them know that the Joe's on me:)

132nd Iowa ANG (http://www.iadesm.ang.af.mil/) out of Des Moines. They were in route to Hardwood AtG weapons range (Wisconsin) and got a call that somebody was coming in on Whiteman, not transmitting IFF, and not responding to comm, and they thought it was Al Qaeda coming in to take out the B-2 fleet. Lucky thing they figured out that it was a "friendly" with avionics problems or you would have been nothing but a greasy cloud in the sky!

[Billyd]

The B-2 Spirit Bomber!

Just couldn't wait to hit the Submit button, could you. Yes, Whiteman AFB is home to the B-2. Now, let's see who can identify this aircraft.

http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/picture.php?albumid=67&pictureid=384

She has several nicknames
but only one will do
Pay attention to those details
they will see you through.

By what name is this particular aircraft known?

[TruBlu]

The aircraft is the C-47, more specifically an AC-47D. This particular one is on display at Hurlburt Field, FL and has the tail number of #43-15510. One interesting fact about this particular plane was that it never actually performed as a gunship.

Source: http://www.hurlburt.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=3429

That one was a little tricky, finding that exact one...

[Billyd]

The aircraft is the C-47, more specifically an AC-47D. This particular one is on display at Hurlburt Field, FL and has the tail number of #43-15510. One interesting fact about this particular plane was that it never actually performed as a gunship.

Source: http://www.hurlburt.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=3429

That one was a little tricky, finding that exact one...


Good job finding all that info. I am impressed. However (you knew that was coming), did that answer my question? Reread my first post and while this particular aircraft may not have performed as a gunship, a number of her sisters did. As a group, they were known as what?

As a side note, I used to pass this very aircraft on my way to the office everyday.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

Spooky or Puff the Magic Dragon

[Billyd]

Spooky or Puff the Magic Dragon

Got to pick one or the other so you've got a 50/50 shot. Anyone else care to give it th old college try?

The art of my nose
A clue to my ID, oooh
A ghost of a hint

[CAPSmith]

^A dead give away :D

[Psybadek]

Is it spooky

[Billyd]

Is it spooky

Are you asking a question or stating an answer? Hard to tell from your response.

[Psybadek]

Yea it is, I'm just going to say it's spooky.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

It's Spooky. lol.

[devin0116]

If you put your mouse cursor over the pic on the link it say AC-47 Spooky lol.

[armysc_25b]

OK, time for me to bring in some new trivia. Since this year is the Army's Year of the NCO, my next few questions will center around some of the history of the NCO Corps.

1) With the limits in place on length of service for draftees during the Vietnam War, and President Johnson's prohibitation on the mobilization of NCO's from the reserve components, what course did the Army take to train new junior NCO's?

2) During the same conflict, a new position was created; what position was it and who assumed the role?

3) When was the system implimented that, because of my attendance at a function of said system, has awarded me the ribbon to the graphic's left of my bottom row of ribbons?

[TruBlu]

Good job finding all that info. I am impressed. However (you knew that was coming), did that answer my question? Reread my first post and while this particular aircraft may not have performed as a gunship, a number of her sisters did. As a group, they were known as what?

A little late and beat to it, but the Spooky. I could have sworn I put that in my answer, but I guess I was just too focused on that particular plane. Hell, I even used the word "spooky" in my research to find the darn thing!

Oh well, let's see what I can't do about the Specialist's question.

[Drill for life]

OK, time for me to bring in some new trivia. Since this year is the Army's Year of the NCO, my next few questions will center around some of the history of the NCO Corps.

1) With the limits in place on length of service for draftees during the Vietnam War, and President Johnson's prohibitation on the mobilization of NCO's from the reserve components, what course did the Army take to train new junior NCO's?

2) During the same conflict, a new position was created; what position was it and who assumed the role?

3) When was the system implimented that, because of my attendance at a function of said system, has awarded me the ribbon to the graphic's left of my bottom row of ribbons?


1.It created a course to train NCO's, it's name is Warrior's leader course.(they where called snake and bakes)
2.Sergeant Major of the Army, which the first one was William O. Wooldridge, the current insignia wasn't addapted unitl 1994, it was previously two start and befoe that just CSM.
3. I really did not understand the question. Can you please re-phrase it?

[armysc_25b]

You are correct on number 2. The answer you provided for number 1 is a later course that falls under the system that I've referred to in number 3.

As far as re-phrasing the question, I believe I'd make the question too simple. Here is a hint, however. My questions refer to the Army's "Year of the NCO" theme. Once you've determined which ribbon I am referring to, and can properly identify it, you should be able to figure out what system I am referring to.

[Billyd]

While you all are working on armysc_25b's latest contribution to the thread, I do have a couple of follow up questions on the aircraft that I posted earlier.

What commercial aircraft uses the same airframe?
And, who was the manufacturer of that airframe?

Here is a hint: This airframe was the most successful of its time. There are/were more of these types of aircraft built than any other. In fact, a number of them are still in service today around the world.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

Douglas DC-3 -- Douglas Aircraft Company would later merge with McDonnell Aircraft Corporation, forming McDonnell Douglas, the creators of the F-15 and F/A-18, and would later merge with Boeing.

[TruBlu]

OMG!!! I was going to post the answer as soon as I got done with this router configuration... But no, Buffalosoldier had to come in and ruin my fun. It's all Cisco's fault...

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

I had this answer last night, dude! I thought that you were going to stroll in here and post the answer as I woke up later this morning (late start is awesome).

[Billyd]

That two hour rule can be a real pain, can't it? I know we are still waiting on an answer to ARmySC_25B's questions so let's get those taken care of and I'll return later with more.

[Billyd]

As a reminder, here are the questions that ArmySC_25B posted.

OK, time for me to bring in some new trivia. Since this year is the Army's Year of the NCO, my next few questions will center around some of the history of the NCO Corps.

1) With the limits in place on length of service for draftees during the Vietnam War, and President Johnson's prohibitation on the mobilization of NCO's from the reserve components, what course did the Army take to train new junior NCO's?

2) During the same conflict, a new position was created; what position was it and who assumed the role?

3) When was the system implimented that, because of my attendance at a function of said system, has awarded me the ribbon to the graphic's left of my bottom row of ribbons?

[TruBlu]

I'm not so sure, but maybe I'm looking in the wrong places... Maybe buffalosoldier or DFL can get it, but for now, I've got to go; competition in the morning. Wish me luck!

[armysc_25b]

Really, if you can pinpoint the right terms to look for you can find anything. Perhaps you are reading too deep into the question. I did say that my questions are based on an Army-wide theme...

Remember, one question has been answered already.

2) During the same conflict, a new position was created; what position was it and who assumed the role?
2.Sergeant Major of the Army, which the first one was William O. Wooldridge, the current insignia wasn't adopted until 1994, it was previously two stars and before that just CSM.

That said, there is one thing unique about his career as compared to the other SMA's. What one thing would you answer this with?

[HairyEyeball]

Heck - even I know that one, and I never served a day in the Army...but I do know that the current insignia was adopted, not 'adapted' in 1994.

[armysc_25b]

Heck - even I know that one, and I never served a day in the Army...but I do know that the current insignia was adopted, not 'adapted' in 1994.
Whoops, let that one slip by me as I was cleaning things up. There goes one of my three mistakes authorized for the year...

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

Do I really have to wait two hours? :( lol.

[HairyEyeball]

Three mistakes? Who authorized a third one? I'm allowed four per decade - be thankful for the two you are authorized per annum...and the second one was assuming you had three!

[armysc_25b]

The actual questions have been posted for a couple days, but if you want to take a crack at them plus the one I just threw in there with it, I'll let you just this once. If you're looking to just do the "new" question, you got just under an hour.

[armysc_25b]

Three mistakes? Who authorized a third one? I'm allowed four per decade - be thankful for the two you are authorized per annum...and the second one was assuming you had three!
Guess it's time I get my act together, the next nine months are going to be long. That's the fourth year running I've used my quota in such a short time...

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

That said, there is one thing unique about his career as compared to the other SMA's. What one thing would you answer this with?

After serving his tenure as the Sergeant Major of the Army, instead of retiring, he stayed in, and served in Vietnam as the Sergeant Major of Military Assistance Command, Vietnam.

[armysc_25b]

Correct. Anyone taking a stab at the other two questions, or did I stump the population? Or perhaps I need to make my questions a bit more blue...

[HairyEyeball]

Given the lack of response...

Would that be the Primary Leadership Development Course at Ft. Campbell, KY?

Obviously, based on the question, it would have to be the Noncommissioned Officer Professional Development Ribbon.

[armysc_25b]

Actually, the course I'm thinking of pre-dates even PLDC. In 1971, the system that PLDC falls under, which is the system that awards the previously noted ribbon, was created and contained only BNCOC, ANCOC, and the Sergeant Major's Academy. By one source, this school started in late 1967 at Ft. Benning, and by my primary source it was also held at Ft. Knox and Ft. Sill.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

So, I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say...

The Noncommissioned Officer's Academy.

[armysc_25b]

Negative. Like I've said, "Year of the NCO" is the recurring theme here. Maybe if you utilized those terms in the search engine of choice you'd find the info?

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

Hint please...

[armysc_25b]

It's on the Army's Year of the NCO site, Vietnam era. Same page as the info about the creation of the SMA.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

Noncommissioned Officer Candidate Course.

I was looking on the wrong tab and for some odd reason, I read the next tab over as 1976 - 2000 >_<

[armysc_25b]

Well, great, after I had to practically tell you which paragraph to read :p

I'll come up with more later. I'm hungry, and have a 750 word paper to work on.

[armysc_25b]

OK, time to stimulate the minds of the general populace once again. So gather 'round and listen close to your next set of questions.

1) Prior to combat units being moved into Vietnam, but after SGT Presley's promotion to said rank, a comprehensive study was done concerning the quality of a certain group of instructors at training centers being far below that of the other services. What program was started because of that study, and how was the program ammended nine years later?

2) The Army has a very well known NCO Club. Which club is this, when and where was it founded, and when did the concept spread Army wide?

3) Given the following symbolism, slightly edited to remove any obvious identifiers, name the Shoulder Sleeve Insignia described here: "The torch, taken from the 1947 ** shoulder sleeve insignia design, perpetuates the history of the ** program in **. The torch reflects enlightenment through knowledge and indicates the program’s academic instruction. It further symbolizes the passing of military history from one generation of soldiers to another. The laurel wreath signifies achievement and leadership."

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

1) Prior to combat units being moved into Vietnam, but after SGT Presley's promotion to said rank, a comprehensive study was done concerning the quality of a certain group of instructors at training centers being far below that of the other services. What program was started because of that study, and how was the program ammended nine years later?

2) The Army has a very well known NCO Club. Which club is this, when and where was it founded, and when did the concept spread Army wide?

3) Given the following symbolism, slightly edited to remove any obvious identifiers, name the Shoulder Sleeve Insignia described here: "The torch, taken from the 1947 ** shoulder sleeve insignia design, perpetuates the history of the ** program in **. The torch reflects enlightenment through knowledge and indicates the program’s academic instruction. It further symbolizes the passing of military history from one generation of soldiers to another. The laurel wreath signifies achievement and leadership."

1. Drill Sergeant Course, which would become the Army Drill Sergeant School. It was ammended to accept Women.

2. The Sergeant Audie Murphy NCO Club, at Fort Hood Texas in 1986, and it spread in 1994.

3. The Junior Reserve Officer's Training Corps Patch.

[armysc_25b]

Right you are on all.

[armysc_25b]

My time machine has landed me in an era where the shield I so proudly sham behind does not exist. When were the ranks that preceeded my current rank established, when were they discontinued, and when was my rank established?

Also, sometime while those insignia were in use, a new Corps was established. What Corps am I speaking of, and why is this significant?

Finally, Congress passed legislation somewhere in here concerning enlisted personnel with at least 20. What kind of measurement is this 20 concerning and what legislation was passed (and some detail would be nice since after all this time travelling, I seem to have forgotten a bit).

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

My time machine has landed me in an era where the shield I so proudly sham behind does not exist. When were the ranks that preceeded my current rank established, when were they discontinued, and when was my rank established?

Also, sometime while those insignia were in use, a new Corps was established. What Corps am I speaking of, and why is this significant?

Finally, Congress passed legislation somewhere in here concerning enlisted personnel with at least 20. What kind of measurement is this 20 concerning and what legislation was passed (and some detail would be nice since after all this time travelling, I seem to have forgotten a bit).

1. They were established on August 5th, 1920, and they were discontinued on July 7th, 1948. Your rank was established on March 1st, 1955.

2. The Women's Army Corps, allowing Women to serve in fields other than nursing in the US Army.

3. Retirement! The legislation allowed allowed enlisted men with more than twenty years of service, but less than twenty-nine to be put on the retired list.

[armysc_25b]

1. They were established on August 5th, 1920, and they were discontinued on July 7th, 1948. Your rank was established on March 1st, 1955.

Correct. What were those ranks called, and what was different about them?

3. Retirement! The legislation allowed allowed enlisted men with more than twenty years of service, but less than twenty-nine to be put on the retired list.

Again, correct. Although, there was a catch to this. When did you truly drop onto the retired list, and why was it at this time and not the day you "retired" from Active Duty (hint hint)?

[Billyd]

Again, correct. Although, there was a catch to this. When did you truly drop onto the retired list, and why was it at this time and not the day you "retired" from Active Duty (hint hint)?

[Waving hand frantically]

I know! I know! Pick me! Pick me!

[/Waving hand frantically]

[USFreak]

Does General of the Army count on the question asked earlier about the rank structure of generals?

[armysc_25b]

1. They were established on August 5th, 1920, and they were discontinued on July 7th, 1948. Your rank was established on March 1st, 1955.

Correct. What were those ranks called, and what was different about them?

3. Retirement! The legislation allowed allowed enlisted men with more than twenty years of service, but less than twenty-nine to be put on the retired list.

Again, correct. Although, there was a catch to this. When did you truly drop onto the retired list, and why was it at this time and not the day you "retired" from Active Duty (hint hint)?

Anyone, other than the guy frantically waving his hand?

[03_SHOOTER]

Anyone, other than the guy frantically waving his hand?

Yeah, I've got it too, but as this was discussed at length in another recent thread that I was rather heavily involved with, I will abstain from answering it until some of the Cadets have had time to fully research it (HINT, HINT).

[Billyd]

While waiting for a correct answer to the question above, let's see if this one can get something started:

Why do we have a military justice system that is separate from the civilian justice system? What is the basis of that system?

I see 03_shooter in the back getting antsy, so let's try to get this one right the first time.

[-BuLL-]

Dagnabbits that 2 hour rule.......I shall return later with your answer, BillyD.

EDIT with answer:

1.)With worldwide application, the military justice system applies to all offenses committed by military members. Its central purpose is to provide commanders with the legal authority to enforce good order and discipline within their units.

2.)The modern military justice system is based on the United States Constitution and is implemented through a combination of federal law and executive orders. The Constitution gives Congress the authority to "provide for the common Defence," "to raise and support Armies," and "to make rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces."

sources: http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-9924269_ITM

[Drill for life]

3. Retirement! The legislation allowed allowed enlisted men with more than twenty years of service, but less than twenty-nine to be put on the retired list.

You also forgot to mention that when you retire you do not "officially" retire, you are in the reserves.

When you are enlisted you have to get promoted before your TIG is maxed out and then they kick you out (I am not so sure, I'm just guessing)?

I'll keep looking for your answer specialist.

[armysc_25b]

You also forgot to mention that when you retire you do not "officially" retire, you are in the reserves.

There's part of the answer. Now, when you be officially placed on the retirement roster?

[TruBlu]

There's part of the answer. Now, when you be officially placed on the retirement roster?

Once you have completed 30 years of service, being active or reserves.

[Billyd]

1.)With worldwide application, the military justice system applies to all offenses committed by military members. Its central purpose is to provide commanders with the legal authority to enforce good order and discipline within their units.

2.)The modern military justice system is based on the United States Constitution and is implemented through a combination of federal law and executive orders. The Constitution gives Congress the authority to "provide for the common Defence," "to raise and support Armies," and "to make rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces."

Well done! The answer I usually get for #2 is UCMJ/MCM.

Here is the next question from me. Air Force personnel are awarded skill levels as they progress through their career and complete requisite training. At some point most airman are awarded a occupational badge that is worn above the ribbons.

Now, here comes the tough part. While I was on active duty, I was awarded such a badge. What information would you need to determine what badge I should wear?

The clock starts now! Good luck!

[03_SHOOTER]

(hand waving frantically in the back of the class)

OOH, OOH, OOH! I KNOW, I KNOW, PICK ME!!!

[Billyd]

Here is a link to Air Force Occupational Badges. Just for fun.

http://www.af.mil/art/index.asp?galleryID=4897

[armysc_25b]

Once you have completed 30 years of service, being active or reserves.
Correct. That said, I am still looking for an answer to this question, and by now you'll probably have to scroll back a few pages to get the full question. It's been well more than 2 hours since this was posted, so somebody answer it (please?).

1. They were established on August 5th, 1920, and they were discontinued on July 7th, 1948. Your rank was established on March 1st, 1955.

Correct. What were those ranks called, and what was different about them?

[Drill for life]

General Officers. Wear the basic badge, representative of the organization’s mission, upon entering a headquarters staff or command position, unless previously qualified for a higher level badge. Wear the next higher level badge after 12 months. Continue to upgrade to next higher level every 12 months.

Officers. Wear the basic badge after graduating from technical school (or after attaining a fully qualified AFSC when technical school is not required). Wear the senior badge after 7 years in the specialty and the master badge after 15 years in the specialty. EXCEPTION: Medical Service officers’ time in specialty will include any constructive service credit awarded at the time of appointment. Officers may verify their constructive service credit to determine eligibility for award of badges by contacting HQ AFPC/DPAMU, 550 C Street West Suite 27, Randolph AFB, TX 78150-4729.

Enlisted. Wear the basic badge after completing technical school. Wear the senior badge after award of the 7-skill level, and the master badge as a master sergeant or above with 5 years in the specialty from award of the 7-skill level. EXCEPTION: Chief Master Sergeants crossflowed into a new CEM Code wear the basic badge of their new career field upon award of the CEM Code, the senior badge after 12 months, and the master badge after 5 years.


You have been awarded the Senior Maintanence badge.

[Billyd]

But, did you answer the question? Go back and read it again. Attention to detail, cadets, attention to details.

[03_SHOOTER]

(hand still waving frantically in the back of the class)
ME, ME, ME, OOH, OOH, OOH, PICK ME!!!!

[03_SHOOTER]

You have been awarded the Senior Maintanence badge.

And exactly how would you know which badge he has earned if you haven't answered the first question?

As Billyd said, attention to detail is critical. He didn't ask what badge he had earned, he asked what information you would have to have in order to determine exactly what badge he had earned.

[Billyd]

(hand still waving frantically in the back of the class)
ME, ME, ME, OOH, OOH, OOH, PICK ME!!!!

Are you all going to force me to pick the antsy one in the back? I know his arm is getting tired. TruBlu/Buffa1oso1di3r, I know one of you has the answer. Just to refresh, here is the question again:

Air Force personnel are awarded skill levels as they progress through their career and complete requisite training. At some point most airman are awarded a occupational badge that is worn above the ribbons.

Now, here comes the tough part. While I was on active duty, I was awarded such a badge. What information would you need to determine what badge I should wear?

BTW, since the clock expired around 1650 CDT yesterday, I will take the first CORRECT answer to post. Good luck.

[03_SHOOTER]

OK, it's 09:50 EST.

The answer is "What AFSC school(s) did you attend?"

[Billyd]

Close enough. The only thing that you need to determine what AF Occupational Badge I am authorized to wear is what my Air Force Specialty Code is.

So, that being said, what Air Force Occupational Badge would Top have been authorized to wear?

[soccermark23]

Ooooo ooooo pick me Sarge!!! I think I know this one!

[03_SHOOTER]

Close enough. The only thing that you need to determine what AF Occupational Badge I am authorized to wear is what my Air Force Specialty Code is.

True enough, I only phrased it the way I did because of the fact that an Airman may be qualified to wear 2 or more Qualification badges based upon their training/cross-training. Unless I'm mistaken, JohnP is not only qualified to wear the Senior Security Police Qualification Badge (81170, later 3P071)), but as a TACP he also earned the Senior Command and Control Qualification Badge (P27570, later 1C471), as well as the Master Parachutist Badge, and the Canadian Parachutist Badge (and that's just the stuff he can talk about without having to kill me).

[JohnP]

True enough, I only phrased it the way I did because of the fact that an Airman may be qualified to wear 2 or more Qualification badges based upon their training/cross-training. Unless I'm mistaken, JohnP is not only qualified to wear the Senior Security Police Qualification Badge (81170, later 3P071)), but as a TACP he also earned the Senior Command and Control Qualification Badge (P27570, later 1C471), as well as the Master Parachutist Badge, and the Canadian Parachutist Badge (and that's just the stuff he can talk about without having to kill me).

My brother, due to a change in the regulations concerning the military becoming a kinder and gentler force, I am no longer required to kill you. I have the option of pulling your brain out through you nose and storing it in a safe until proper declassification. :D

You will get your brain back, however, you will be stumbling around and blithering like an officer until it happens.

[Drill for life]

you will be stumbling around and blithering like an officer until it happens.


Wrong on so meany levels. Maybe you need to blend his brain and make him drink it:D!!!! GET SOME!!!

[03_SHOOTER]

Wrong on so meany levels. Maybe you need to blend his brain and make him drink it:D!!!! GET SOME!!!

Spoken like a true Cadidiot.

[Billyd]

Ok, let's get back to the task at hand.

The question at hand is:

What occupational badge would Top have been authorized to wear.

[Ivan_The_Mute]

You will get your brain back, however, you will be stumbling around and blithering like an officer until it happens.

Oh c'mon, we're not all that bad!

[03_SHOOTER]

Ok, let's get back to the task at hand.

The question at hand is:

What occupational badge would Top have been authorized to wear.

Other than his Master Maintenance Badge, he would also be authorized to wear the First Sergeants "Lozenge" (Diamond) on his Chevrons.

[Billyd]

And we have a winner. Now, as has been stated, your humble Trivia Master was authorized the Senior Maintenance Badge. Also in this thread are the requirements for wear of the Master Maintenance Badge. Would I be able to put on the Master Maintenance badge, were I still on active duty, the same day I put on Master Sergeant? If not, why not. What information do you need to determine that answer?

[Billyd]

Wow, over a full day has passed and yet no one has dared to take the plunge? TurBlu, I expected you to at least take a stab at it. DFL, you posted the requirements, afraid of the challenge? Am I going to have to wait for 03 to jump into it again?

[JohnP]

And we have a winner. Now, as has been stated, your humble Trivia Master was authorized the Senior Maintenance Badge. Also in this thread are the requirements for wear of the Master Maintenance Badge. Would I be able to put on the Master Maintenance badge, were I still on active duty, the same day I put on Master Sergeant? If not, why not. What information do you need to determine that answer?

An Air Force Occupational Badge is received upon completion of initial career field training and assignment to an active command. As a service member advances in their career field, the occupational badge may be upgraded to the level of Senior or Master. Such upgrades are denoted by a star and wreath, centered above the Occupational badge. For enlisted personnel, the Senior badge denotes award of the "7 skill level," a skill level typically reached at the rank of Staff Sergeant. Skill levels are as follows: 1-Student, 3-Apprentice, 5-Journeyman, 7-Craftsman, and 9-Superintendent. The master badge is awarded to master sergeant or above with 5 years in the specialty from award of the 7-skill level(AFI 36-2903 5.9). For officers, the Senior badge is worn after seven years service in the specialty and the Master badge after fifteen years.

The answer to the question is whether you authorized to wear this badge the day you sewed on MSgt. The answer could be yes. You would have to be in position at least 5 years after the award of your 7 skill level. If you were not in the slot for the minimum amount of time, then the answer would be no.

I will go out on a limb and say you were probably filling the slot for at least 5 years prior to your promotion and answer with a resounding yes.

[Billyd]

I see that JohnP has provided the answer. Yes indeed, I would have been authorized to wear the Mast Maintenance badge upon promotion to MSgt. I earned my 7-Level in 1995 as a SSgt.

Getting back to some real history, who was the first Air Force General to serve as the Cahirman, Joint Chiefs of Staff? In what year was he named to that post and who was in the Oval office at that time?

[Psybadek]

The answer to that would be General Nathan F. Twinning. He was appointed to the position on August 15, 1957 and held it until September 30, 1960 and was appointed to the position by President Dwight D. Eisenhower.

He previously held the position of Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force from June 30, 1953 to June 30, 1957

[Ivan_The_Mute]

I'd like to throw one out. This is a bit of a weird one, but stick with me on it.

In 1936, there were only two African-American officers holding line commissions in the US Army. Who were they, and what was their relationship?

Also, the USAF has had two Chiefs of Staff who have the same relationship as the African-American officers asked above. Who were the two Chiefs of Staff and what years did they hold the position?

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

I KNOW!!!! PICK ME, PICK ME!!!

*waits for two hour rule to end >__<*

[Billyd]

The answer to that would be General Nathan F. Twinning. He was appointed to the position on August 15, 1957 and held it until September 30, 1960 and was appointed to the position by President Dwight D. Eisenhower.

He previously held the position of Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force from June 30, 1953 to June 30, 1957

Good job! It is General Twinning.

I was also just informed that General Twinning was a family friend of one of our members. His Uncle survived 6 days in a raft in the Coral Sea with the General in 1943.

It is really amazing the things one finds at Grunt's!

I'll be back after a correct response to Ivan's questions.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

The two African-American Army Officers are Benjamin O. Davis Sr. and Benjamin O. Davis Jr. Davis Sr. was the first African-American General in the Army, and his son would command the Tuskegee Airmen.

The two Air Force Chief of Staff are John D. Ryan and his son, Michael E. Ryan. John Ryan was a Bomber Pilot in World War II and lost a finger from enemy fire. Michael Ryan was a fighter pilot, and appeared in a Stargate SG-1 episode.

I think both pairs bring a new meaning to "like father, like son".

[TruBlu]

I've been around, I'm just trying to throttle back and give others a chance to jump into the thread. I'll come back in full swing now I suppose, seeing as thought the interest isn't catching throughout the entire board.

PS Buffalo, I was going to put that in my sig at one point to, but I'm glad you did lol!!!

[Billyd]

Here is another history question:

In 1960, another first occurred in the United States Air Force. The individual concerned at the time was a First Sergeant of a 400 person squadron at McGuire AFB in New Jersey. Can you name the event and the person involved?

[Billyd]

I've been around, I'm just trying to throttle back and give others a chance to jump into the thread. I'll come back in full swing now I suppose, seeing as thought the interest isn't catching throughout the entire board.

PS Buffalo, I was going to put that in my sig at one point to, but I'm glad you did lol!!!

I, for one, am glad for all that participate. I wish more did, but it is their loss. I am constantly learning stuff as well.

[TruBlu]

Grace Peterson became the first female Chief Master Sergeant.

Source: http://www.af.mil/history/spotlight.asp?storyID=123140170

[CAPSmith]

I'd like to add a question, if y'all don't mind:

"In 1970, an F106 numbered 80787 is most remembered for ________"

The answer isn't necessarily historically significant, but I thought it was amazing none the less.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

The F-106 in question entered a flat spin over Montana on February 2nd, 1970. After the pilot ejected, the airplane literally balanced itself (due to the lack of weight from the pilot + ejection seat), and it landed wheels up in a field, suffering little-to-no damage. It was repaired and reentered service.

[CAPSmith]

The F-106 in question entered a flat spin over Montana on February 2nd, 1970. After the pilot ejected, the airplane literally balanced itself (due to the lack of weight from the pilot + ejection seat), and it landed wheels up in a field, suffering little-to-no damage. It was repaired and reentered service.

Good job BS, you got the answer. By chance was this your source?

http://www.f-106deltadart.com/71fis_PilotlessLanding_580787.htm

If it wasn't there are several pictures of the incident as well as the newspaper article about it. I found it fascinating and interesting.

My favorite quote from the article below the pictures, "One of the accompanying F-106 pilots, IP Major Jimmy Lowe, observed the ejection and also observed 58-0787 straighten out right after ejection and reportedly transmitted 'Gary - you'd better get back in it!'. "

[JohnP]

Good job BS, you got the answer. By chance was this your source?

http://www.f-106deltadart.com/71fis_PilotlessLanding_580787.htm

If it wasn't there are several pictures of the incident as well as the newspaper article about it. I found it fascinating and interesting.

My favorite quote from the article below the pictures, "One of the accompanying F-106 pilots, IP Major Jimmy Lowe, observed the ejection and also observed 58-0787 straighten out right after ejection and reportedly transmitted 'Gary - you'd better get back in it!'. "

That's just too funny...

I have a buddy that was a Dart Driver. With your permission, I'd like to forward the url to him.

[CAPSmith]

John, obviously I wouldn't have a problem with you forwarding it. Not that it's really something I can giver permission for anyway. I assume the owners of the site wouldn't have a problem with people visiting. :)

[TruBlu]

Wow, that's amazing! Bet he caught hell at the club later that night when they found out the plane flew itself better without him lol!

[Ivan_The_Mute]

That is freakin' awesome. Talk about an incident that you'll never live down!

[TruBlu]

Correct. That said, I am still looking for an answer to this question, and by now you'll probably have to scroll back a few pages to get the full question. It's been well more than 2 hours since this was posted, so somebody answer it (please?).

What were those ranks called, and what was different about them?

Sorry, forgot about this question, but I think I can lay it to rest now. The ranks are the "Technician" ranks. These ranks incorporated a pay grade different from those used today (they started with E-7 and worked up to E-1). They also included a "T" below the chevrons for the ranks that had a technician grade (Tech 5, Tech 4, Tech 3, which were commensurate with E-5, E-4, E-3, respectively).

[Billyd]

While we wait for ArmySC_25B to respond to that last part of his question, let my throw this out there:

When did enlisted personnel of the Air Force start being called Airmen? And who was the Air Force Chief of Staff that directed the change?

[armysc_25b]

Yes, the Technician ranks were put in place. However, tech ranks were only in three paygrades. Oddly enough, the example you used for the E-3 thru E-5 part would be those grades.

During the late 1930s, technicians were created in enlisted grades three, four and five (NCO ranks of corporal, sergeant and staff sergeant). To distinguish technicians from NCOs, the former had a “T” placed in the center of their chevrons. The Army introduced this system in order to provide more promotion opportunities for technical personnel. This system also protected the prestige of NCO ranks because technicians could not hold leadership positions. In 1948, the technician ranks were discontinued, but they would be succeeded by the specialist ranks in 1955.

[DoubleHelix]

When did enlisted personnel of the Air Force start being called Airmen? And who was the Air Force Chief of Staff that directed the change?


If I can chime in Sgt., that would Air Force Chief Of Staff General Hoyt Vandenberg who approved the chevron change on 03/09/48 and approved the title change to Airman 04/24/1952 :D

[Billyd]

If I can chime in Sgt., that would Air Force Chief Of Staff General Hoyt Vandenberg who approved the chevron change on 03/09/48 and approved the title change to Airman 04/24/1952 :D

Not according to the data that I have. If you can provide a link, I would be open to reconsideration. General Vandenberg is correct. However, my source has a different date.

[DoubleHelix]

Well I had remembered the General from AFJROTC, as far as the dates, those I pulled off wikipedia (:sick:)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force_enlisted_rank_insignia


So the dates may be incorrect, I wish I still had my LE material around to double check, but I'll try and google it real quick

EDIT: http://www.militaryranks.us/air-force-enlisted-rank-insignia.htm

That also lists the same dates. Can you list your source so I can compare them?

[Billyd]

And give away the answer? PM inbound

[Billyd]

Who is the Secretary of Defense for the United States of America?

Only because of this thread: http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/showthread.php?t=35

[03_SHOOTER]

Who is the Secretary of Defense for the United States of America?

Only because of this thread: http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/showthread.php?t=35

OOPS!!!

I hope that was just a typo.

[TruBlu]

Not according to the data that I have. If you can provide a link, I would be open to reconsideration. General Vandenberg is correct. However, my source has a different date.

20 February 1950 (http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/airforce/a/afenrankhistory_2.htm)

Who is the Secretary of Defense for the United States of America?

Only because of this thread: http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/showthread.php?t=35

I'll leave that one to Buffalo!

[armysc_25b]

A) I screwed up that post, and didn't realize it until now

B) I tried to fix it, and I can't even get it right with the way my mind is distracted right now.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

1. It's Robert M. Gates

2. I didn't make the thread, I copied and pasted it from the old forum, and after that, I left it to the moderators ;)

[armysc_25b]

I swear everything that's there now is current unless I couldn't find a source to verify (which is the case with Western Region). Now if ONE MORE PERSON says that the stuff is wrong, then I quit. I'm having a bad day as it is, this just didn't help any...

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

I'll update the Western Region tomorrow, when I can check it on the wall of my SAI's classroom.

[Billyd]

Thank you gentlemen, for fixing the post and especially a great big thank you for the sense of humor you all have displayed.

TruBlu,

That is the date I was looking for. The date that DoubleHelix is most likely the date when the designation appeared in regulations.

http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/picture.php?albumid=55&pictureid=395

Of course, standing in front of an aircraft with that name painted on the nose, that can only be one person. Name the pilot in the picture and the occasion on which it was taken.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

It is... Chuck Yeager on October 14th, 1997, on the 50th anniversary of his breaking the sound barrier. He got to do it again in a F-15, which is his last official flight in a USAF Aircraft.

Here's a better picture with his name stenciled under the cockpit:

http://www.volkfield.ang.af.mil/www.volkfield.ang.af.mil/images/oliva/myeager.jpg

[TruBlu]

Waiting on that 2 hour rule I see, down to the minute. I'm calling for a seconds check lol!!!

[JohnP]

I don't know if this is wrong but wouldn't you have Joint Service Commedation and Achievement medals or is that when you are assigned to a Joint Service project and not just to a US Army unit?

Drill,

PM on the way...

JP

[Ivan_The_Mute]

Alright, it appears that we've hit a lull and have no active question. So, here's one in four parts!

The B-52 Stratofortress was originally armed with a tail-gun turret, which was removed in 1993 from all remaining active aircraft.

1: What was the armament mounted in the tail-gun turret on the B-52 A-G models?

2: What was it in the B-52H?

3: How many kills have B-52 tailgunners been awarded over its service life?

4: Who were they, and what aircraft did they kill?

[MP_Girl]

1: What was the armament mounted in the tail-gun turret on the B-52 A-G models?

one 20-mm Vulcan cannon in tail (remotely controlled, but removed by 1991 to save money)


2: What was it in the B-52H?

up to 20 AGM-69 SRAM or AGM-86 ALCM, up to 8 AGM-84 Harpoon, up to 4 AGM-142 Popeye
(B-52H)

3: How many kills have B-52 tailgunners been awarded over its service life?


Guam??



4: Who were they, and what aircraft did they kill?[/QUOTE]

No clue?

[Ivan_The_Mute]

1: What was the armament mounted in the tail-gun turret on the B-52 A-G models?

one 20-mm Vulcan cannon in tail (remotely controlled, but removed by 1991 to save money)


2: What was it in the B-52H?

up to 20 AGM-69 SRAM or AGM-86 ALCM, up to 8 AGM-84 Harpoon, up to 4 AGM-142 Popeye
(B-52H)

3: How many kills have B-52 tailgunners been awarded over its service life?


Guam??



4: Who were they, and what aircraft did they kill?

No clue?


Points for trying, but all four are incorrect.

For clarification, questions one and two are for the defensive armament on the aircraft only. While I'd love to see a Buff launching nuclear tipped cruise missiles to keep fighters off it's back, I don't think a tail gunner wants to use a W-80 on a MiG.

[03_SHOOTER]

1: What was the armament mounted in the tail-gun turret on the B-52 A-G models?
Four M2 .50 cal machine guns is the answer that you're probably looking for, but some of the RB-52B's and B-52B's used the MD-5 DFCS, which is a pair of M24A-1 20mm's. The D-F model B-52's used the MD-9 DFCS which utilized four M2 .50 cal machine guns. In the 'G' model, the gunner was moved from the tail to near the EWO, and utilized the new AN/ASG-15 DFCS using the same four .50 cal machine guns.

2: What was it in the B-52H?
AN/ASG-21 DFCS utilizing a single six barrel M-61 Vulcan 20 mm cannon.

3: How many kills have B-52 tailgunners been awarded over its service life?
2

4: Who were they, and what aircraft did they kill?
Staff Sgt. Samuel Turner and Airman 1st Class Albert Moore each shot down a MiG-21 during Operation Linebacker II over N. Vietnam

[03_SHOOTER]

While I'd love to see a Buff launching nuclear tipped cruise missiles to keep fighters off it's back, I don't think a tail gunner wants to use a W-80 on a MiG.

No, using a W-80 on incoming fighters, or anything else within a 2 klick radius, especially if they were coming in from the nose, might tend to mess up your plans for the weekend. There's something about that whole "overpressure" thing that tends to wreak havoc with the airframe and that whole Bernoulli's Principal thingy making you fall out of the sky like a rock. :D

[Ivan_The_Mute]

No, using a W-80 on incoming fighters, or anything else within a 2 klick radius, especially if they were coming in from the nose, might tend to mess up your plans for the weekend. There's something about that whole "overpressure" thing that tends to wreak havoc with the airframe and that whole Bernoulli's Principal thingy making you fall out of the sky like a rock. :D

I don't know about that. If an overpressure wave crossed your wings, especially rapidly (ignoring the whole fireball and instant death part of the explosion,) wouldn't that generate a crap-ton of lift, sending you upward (probably out of control?)

And yes to all four points on the question.

[03_SHOOTER]

I don't know about that. If an overpressure wave crossed your wings, especially rapidly (ignoring the whole fireball and instant death part of the explosion,) wouldn't that generate a crap-ton of lift, sending you upward (probably out of control?)

What would happen is that you'd essentially take an aircraft wing that's doing about 500 knots, that is designed for a maximum of around 650 knots, and ramp it up to near, or over double of it's design load limits in under a second, depending on exactly how close you were to the blast. The wings would fold up like a cheap suit, spewing thousands of gallons of now vaporized JP-6 into the airstream, which would be instantaneously ignited, and what's left of your aircraft would immediately become a falling torch.

[Ivan_The_Mute]

Ok, although this is in the Cadet forum, it seems that there are many old farts who have come to play (myself included.) In honor of that is my next question.

Please name 10 combat weapon systems which have been in use, or saw use, for fifty years or more in their country of origin.

Now, for definitions.
1: A weapon system is anything meant to kill anyone. Small arms, artillery pieces, armored fighting vehicles, aircraft, naval vessels, and the like. Do not include items which are attached to it. For example, if a particular heavy machine gun (hint hint!) has been in use for fifty plus years, do not list the cartridge which it fires.

2: Country of origin is the country that utilized the weapon system first OR that purchased the weapon system for use first. For example, the IS-1 tank was designed by the Soviets in 1944 and is still in use by several African nations. However, the Soviet Union discontinued its use in 1977. The nation of origin did not have it in continous use for fifty years, although it has been used for more than fifty at this time.

And one restriction, this one is for the Cadets. For some of us older members, this would be too easy (just think back to your first bits of kit.)

[HairyEyeball]

Given the stipulation that "1: A weapon system is anything meant to kill anyone", three that immediately spring to mind are:

.50 BMG Ma Deuce

1911/1911A1 (never completely removed from service, currently T/O for SpecOps)

Ka-Bar Combat Knife

- and despite the proliferation of seaborne missiles, there are still ships steaming with 'naval rifles' mounted that were designed prior to WW II.

[Ivan_The_Mute]

Given the stipulation that "1: A weapon system is anything meant to kill anyone", three that immediately spring to mind are:

.50 BMG Ma Deuce

1911/1911A1 (never completely removed from service, currently T/O for SpecOps)

Ka-Bar Combat Knife

- and despite the proliferation of seaborne missiles, there are still ships steaming with 'naval rifles' mounted that were designed prior to WW II.

Alright Cadets, Hairy just gave you three. I know among you, you can come up with seven more. And don't just think modern era! Man has killed man for countless centuries (but if you go to antiquity, please cite relevant data for years.)

[HairyEyeball]

Got another 8 standing by...

[FeelinFroggy]

I have some as well, if no cadets chime in....

I'll edit this post if none step up.

[03_SHOOTER]

How about the ST-1 and the ST-One CK? They have been used by every nation state from earliest recorded history.

[JohnP]

How about the ST-1 and the ST-One CK? They have been used by every nation state from earliest recorded history.

Is that is same system as the BFR?

[HairyEyeball]

Been over 12 hours, so pluck yew! - as in the English longbow, circa 1200 - 1550

The Roman Gladius (short sword) - (~500BCE - ~500CE)

The Long Land Pattern "Brown Bess" Musket - 1722 - 1838

Still have a long list - some of which are right under your noses. Think, people.

[03_SHOOTER]

Is that is same system as the BFR?

I'm not sure, but I think the ST-1 is the predecessor of the BFR, but there is some debate on it. I guess we'll have to ask HE as they were standard issue when he was a Boot.

(Sorry Hairy, couldn't help it. Love ya, mean it.)

[03_SHOOTER]

Hands? Elbows? Knees? Feet? The human body can be one of the most effective "weapons systems" if the user is properly trained.

[FeelinFroggy]

A certain weapon saw use for centuries in Japan, used by Samurai.

[HairyEyeball]

I'm not sure, but I think the ST-1 is the predecessor of the BFR, but there is some debate on it. I guess we'll have to ask HE as they were standard issue when he was a Boot.

(Sorry Hairy, couldn't help it. Love ya, mean it.)

Requests for information on this topic will only be considered when submitted on a properly filled out ID-ten-T form, available at county sheriff's departments in most States. Just ask the desk sergeant for one, and submit in triplicate, each individually signed and notarized.

[JohnP]

These are current era weapons and I know I’m missing several others. This should satisfy the requirement set by Ivan the Mute.

RPG-7 – Developed from the RPG-2 in 1952 and put in use delivered to the Soviet Forces in 1959. Its variants (RPG7-V) are still in active use throughout the world.

AK-47 – Developed in 1947 and put into service in 1949. It is still seeing active use.

M-16 Rifle – Designed in 1957 produced in 1960 (Designed date makes it 52 years old.)

Plastic Explosive (Semtex and C4) – This one’s for you Ivan - The first plastic explosive was Gelignite, invented by Alfred Nobel in 1875. The origin of the obsolete term plastique dates back to the Nobel 808 explosive introduced to the US by the British in 1940. The samples of explosive brought to the USA by the Tizard Mission had already been packaged by the SOE ready for dropping to the French Resistance and were therefore labelled in French, as Explosif Plastique. It is still referred to by this name in France, and also by a few Americans. However, most English-speaking users refer to it either by the actual label printed on the packaging (e.g. C-4 or Semtex) or as plastic explosive. C3 was effective but proved to be too brittle in cold weather. In the 1960s it was replaced by C-4, also using RDX but with polyisobutylene and di(2-ethylhexyl)sebacate as the binder and plasticizer. Semtex was also developed in the 1960s by Stanislav Brebera by mixing of RDX with PETN and then adding binders and stabilizers.

Tomahawk - A tomahawk is a type of axe native to North America, traditionally resembling a hatchet with a straight shaft. The American Tomahawk Company's "VTAC" ("Vietnam Tactical Tomahawk") is in use by the US Army Stryker Brigade in Afghanistan, the 172nd SBCT Team based at Fort Wainwright, the 3rd Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division out of Fort Lewis, a Recon Platoon in the 2-183d CAV (116th IBCT)(OIF 2007-2008) and numerous other soldiers. The VTAC was issued a National Stock Number (4210-01-518-7244) and classified as a “Class 9 rescue kit” as a result of a program called the Rapid Fielding Initiative; it is also included within every Stryker vehicle as the “Modular Entry Tool set”. This design is enjoying something of a renaissance with US soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan as a tool and in use in hand-to-hand combat.

B-52 Stratofortress – First flight April 15, 1952 introduced in 1955. The last manufacture of this aircraft was 1962, meaning that most of these aircraft are older than the personnel maintaining and flying in them. As of 2009 there are 5 others that match this standard, There are six aircraft altogether that have made this list as of 2009; the other four being the Tupolev Tu-95, the C-130 Hercules, the KC-135 Stratotanker, and the Lockheed U-2.

USS Constitution is a wooden-hulled, three-masted heavy frigate of the United States Navy. Named after the Constitution of the United States of America by President George Washington, she is the oldest commissioned naval vessel afloat in the world. Armament: Though listed as a 44-gun frigate, Constitution's rating was meant only as an approximation, and she would often carry over 50 guns at a time. 30 × 24-pounder (11 kg) long gun, 20 × 32-pounder (15 kg) carronade, 2 × 24-pounder (11 kg) bow chasers.

I will await the time with patience for the cadets to match or exceed that established by the “Old Timers.”

Requests for information on this topic will only be considered when submitted on a properly filled out ID-ten-T form, available at county sheriff's departments in most States. Just ask the desk sergeant for one, and submit in triplicate, each individually signed and notarized.

In addition, Brother HE, remember that you may not be as young as you used to be, but you’re not as old as you’re going to get! For the record, my local SO is out of ID-10T forms; we’ve had too many tourist over “Spring Break.”

[HairyEyeball]

...you may not be as young as you used to be...

I know I'm gonna catch hell for this, but: "A woman is as old as she feels. A man is only as old as the woman he's feeling."

Since I can only presume you asked the desk sergeant for the form, John (you wouldn't lie to me, would you?), I can tell you that I attended Boot Camp when they were in transition from one to the other. Some were issued the old unit, some the newer, and the greater part of 'commander's time' was spent complying with the Senior Drill Instructor's 'suggestion' that "You [multiple creative expletives deleted] best not let me be able to tell one from the other."

Still waiting for the youngsters to do their homework - I still have a half-dozen on my list that haven't been mentioned, and they're all U.S.-made and used.

[JohnP]

Since I can only presume you asked the desk sergeant for the form, John (you wouldn't lie to me, would you?),

Oh, no sir, I went directly to the horses as*, err I mean the horses mouth. The Sheriff and I are friends and he is quite familiar with the aforementioned forms, along with a few others that can't be described in open forum.

I too have a few more items in my hip pocket along with some concealed in my billows pocket and butt pack that can be added to this thread.

I was talking to a brother on a military SWAT team that reminded me of an incident during training and I thought it would be a worthy question to ponder for this thread: "Have you ever fired a slap flare in anger?"

[JohnP]

With the Cadet Forum Moderator’s permission, I would like to post the next trivia question.

This decoration was considered to be the equivalent of the Navy Cross, although in precedence it ranked just behind the Medal of Honor, since those receiving the award had received field commissions as Marine Corps officers, under combat conditions, and had performed feats of distinction and gallant service. Initially however, this medal ranked behind the Navy Distinguished Service Medal. The award was only issued to twenty Marine Corps active, retired, and discharged personnel.

What medal is this narrator describing and who was the last person awarded it?

[03_SHOOTER]

Please name 10 combat weapon systems which have been in use, or saw use, for fifty years or more in their country of origin.

My personal favorite (as if anybody didn't know it), the M-1903 rifle. It was officially adopted by the US Military in 1903 and saw use in WWI and eraly in WWII (until the adoption of the Garand) as the "main battle rifle", as well as in Korea and Vietnam as a sniper rifle.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

The narrator is describing the Marine Corps Brevet Medal, last awarded to Littleton W.T Waller.

Sorry I haven't been answering more trivia questions, I've been a little bit busy in the last few days.

Please name 10 combat weapon systems which have been in use, or saw use, for fifty years or more in their country of origin.

1. M1903 Springfield
2. AK-47
3. M2 Browning Machine Gun
4. The Atomic Bomb
5. C-4 Plastic Explosive
6. M1911 Pistol (1911 - Current w/ USMC + Combat Applications Group)
7. M-14 Rifle
8. P-3 Orion (I'm listing it as a combat system as it is an Anti-Submarine Craft)
9. C-130 Hercules (It was given weapons...)
10. Tomahawk (Native to America, used by many forces ever since, even today.)

Does this list suffice, Captain?

[HairyEyeball]

10. UH-1 Huey (Again, given weapons in Vietnam, and infiltrated and extracted combat teams in very... very... hot locations)

Unless arithmetic has undergone significant alteration since my days in elementary school, this does not meet the 50 year specification.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

I was going off of the date of the protoype's first flight, as well as it's date of introduction -- it was introduced in 1959... no specified date, however.

EDIT -- I'll change my entry on the UH-1 Huey to something that will suffice. :)

[TruBlu]

I was going off of the date of the protoype's first flight, as well as it's date of introduction -- it was introduced in 1959... no specified date, however.

EDIT -- I'll change my entry on the UH-1 Huey to something that will suffice. :)

The Huey didn't gain that designation until 1962, so not quite 50 years my friend.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

I know. :P

[HairyEyeball]

Were the prototype date the 'effective' date for purposes of the discussion, one might also consider that the 1911 was effectively Colt's Browning 'pocket model' of 1903, given 'a set'.

[Ivan_The_Mute]

Thanks for all the replies. This was one that didn't have any single definitive list of correct answers, more of a "What do you know" question. I was glad to see some folks reach beyond the common answers of B-52, AK-47, the Ma Deuce, and the like. I am surprised that nobody posted the Tu-95 "Bear" bomber, formerly of the Soviet Union, still in use by Russia today (53 years.)

One that I would like to point out myself is the English Longbow. Examples of the modern English longbow have been found from as early as 2500 B.C.E., and they are still in use today, as the armament for the Royal Company of Archers.

[HairyEyeball]

Thanks for all the replies. This was one that didn't have any single definitive list of correct answers, more of a "What do you know" question. I was glad to see some folks reach beyond the common answers of B-52, AK-47, the Ma Deuce, and the like. I am surprised that nobody posted the Tu-95 "Bear" bomber, formerly of the Soviet Union, still in use by Russia today (53 years.)

One that I would like to point out myself is the English Longbow. Examples of the modern English longbow have been found from as early as 2500 B.C.E., and they are still in use today, as the armament for the Royal Company of Archers.

Gotta read what's previously been posted, Ivan:

...pluck yew! - as in the English longbow, circa 1200 - 1550 (see previous page)

[DoubleHelix]

World War II saw many weapons that had been introduced before it's start, and saw continued use well after it's end. The .50BMG, the 1911, and (dun dun dun dun) the Lee Enfield.

The very first magazine fed, bolt action edition of an Enfield rifle was introduced in 1895, and some of the models (mostly Mk IV) can still be seen in use today, mostly as a sniper rifle, but you can find some pictures of Afghans toting them circa 1985.

The Mosin-Nagant was put in service in 1891, and variants could still be seen in use as far as 1998.

The Gewehr 98 could probably still be found in use around the 50 year mark, but it's termination as the "official" rifle in 1945 ended it's run at 47 years.

[Ivan_The_Mute]

Gotta read what's previously been posted, Ivan:

(see previous page)

Can I blame it on too much beer consumption and not enough sleep? I do feel bad about that, as I had not only read, but reread that post.

[HairyEyeball]

Too much beer? And you didn't offer to share?

We'll let you slide this time because of your good record, and the fact that you're not the only one to duplicate an item posted earlier.

[JohnP]

The narrator is describing the Marine Corps Brevet Medal, last awarded to Littleton W.T Waller.


Outstanding answer Buff...

I now return the floor back to the Cadet Moderator for the next set of trivia questions.

[Billyd]

Thank you gentlemen for providing some interesting questions and answers and helping to educate our upcoming leaders.

In the thread "Why two bronze stars" Drill for Life presented a link to a photograph of Col Day. For a refresher, here is a link to that photo.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Col_George_Day_1987.jpg

My question to you is this, While it was stated that one would change their ribbons to match the Colonel's, there is a glaring error on Col Day's. While his Air Medal is showing 5 devices, we will ignore that one for now and focus on his Bronze Star for Valor.

Here is what you need to provide to get full credit (no partial on this one, sorry).

What the discrepancy is:
What the governing directive says:
NOTE: You MUST provide a link to the governing directive from an official source.

Good luck and good hunting!

[JohnP]

Oh, oh, oh, pick me, pick me!!!!!


PM with answer inbound...I sometimes have no patience at all…LMOL

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

Thank you gentlemen for providing some interesting questions and answers and helping to educate our upcoming leaders.

In the thread "Why two bronze stars" Drill for Life presented a link to a photograph of Col Day. For a refresher, here is a link to that photo.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Col_George_Day_1987.jpg

My question to you is this, While it was stated that one would change their ribbons to match the Colonel's, there is a glaring error on Col Day's. While his Air Medal is showing 5 devices, we will ignore that one for now and focus on his Bronze Star for Valor.

Here is what you need to provide to get full credit (no partial on this one, sorry).

What the discrepancy is:
What the governing directive says:
NOTE: You MUST provide a link to the governing directive from an official source.

Good luck and good hunting!


The discrepancy/why it is wrong: the fact that he has two bronze service stars on his Bronze Star, while the only devices authorized on it are the oak leaf cluster and the "V" device.

Source: http://www.afpc.randolph.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=7771

[Billyd]

The discrepancy/why it is wrong: the fact that he has two bronze service stars on his Bronze Star, while the only devices authorized on it are the oak leaf cluster and the "V" device.

Source: http://www.afpc.randolph.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=7771

Sorry, can't give any credit for this one. Re-read the question and provide the information requested.

Hint:
governing directive

Can't make it too easy :D

[TruBlu]

The discrepancy/why it is wrong: the fact that he has two bronze service stars on his Bronze Star, while the only devices authorized on it are the oak leaf cluster and the "V" device.

Source: http://www.afpc.randolph.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=7771

Oh man a Randolph AFB fact sheet isn't a governing directive man!!! Let's see what I've got.

The first is Executive Order 11046, which supersedes Executive Order 9419 (the one that officially created the Bronze Star), located here: http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/jfkeo/eo/11046.htm. I post this because of this right cha:

No more than one Bronze Star Medal shall be awarded to any one person, but for each succeeding heroic or meritorious achievement or service justifying such an award a suitable device may be awarded to be worn with the medal as prescribed by appropriate regulations.

So appropriate regulation aka directive: Lets go to Army Regulation 670-1 located at: http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r670_1.pdf because of this:

29–12. Wear of appurtenances

a. Oak leaf clusters.
(1) A bronze twig of four oak leaves with three acorns on each stem is worn to denote award of second and
succeeding awards of decorations (other than the Air Medal), the Army Reserve Components Achievement Medal, and
unit awards. A silver oak leaf cluster is worn in lieu of five bronze oak leaf clusters. It is worn to the wearer’s right of
a bronze oak leaf cluster and to the left of the “V” device. Oak leaf clusters, 5/16 inch in length, are worn on service
ribbons, the suspension ribbon of miniature medals, and unit awards. Oak leaf clusters, 13/32 inch in length, are worn
on the suspension ribbon of full-size medals. Oak leaf clusters 5/16 inch in length, joined together in series of two,
three, and four clusters, are authorized for optional purchase and wear on service ribbons and unit award emblems.
Personnel wear oak leaf clusters centered on the service ribbon and suspension ribbon, with the stems of the leaves
pointing to the wearer’s right. If four oak leaf clusters are worn on the suspension ribbon on either full-size or
miniature medals, the fourth one is placed above the middle one in the row of three. No more than four oak leaf
clusters can be worn side-by-side on service ribbons.
(2) If the number of authorized oak leaf clusters exceeds four and will not fit on a single ribbon, a second ribbon is
authorized for wear. When the second ribbon is worn, it is placed after the first ribbon; the second ribbon counts as one
award. Personnel may wear no more than four oak leaf clusters on each ribbon. If the receipt of future awards reduces
the number of oak leaf clusters sufficiently (that is, a silver oak leaf for five awards), personnel will remove the second
ribbon and place the appropriate number of devices on a single ribbon.
b. “V” device. The “V” device is a bronze block letter, “V,” 1⁄4 inch high. It is worn to denote participation in acts
of heroism involving conflict with an armed enemy. The “V” device is worn centered on the suspension ribbon and
service ribbon on the Air Medal, Bronze Star Medal, Army Commendation Medal, and the Joint Service Commendation
Medal. Not more than one “V” device is worn on a ribbon. When worn with an oak leaf cluster or numerals, the
“V” device is worn on the wearer’s right.

[Billyd]

Looks like we have a governing directive with appropriate link. However, the first part still has not been answered, so no credit, yet. :devil:

[TruBlu]

Looks like we have a governing directive with appropriate link. However, the first part still has not been answered, so no credit, yet. :devil:

OK so AF doesn't use stars to show subsequent awardings, they use oak leaf clusters. That's the first problem. The next is that the "V" device is displayed to the right of all other devices. The good Colonel should have the "V" device then two oak leaf clusters to the right (reading left from right facing the ribbon). Is that it?

[Billyd]

Took long enough :). Now we have a complete answer. And while JohnP may not feel comfortable correcting the Colonel, I would hope that someone would quietly inform the good Colonel that there is a problem.

BTW, just as an aside, Colonel Day is a well known name in this area and when he speaks, people really do listen.

The Air Force has a Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon. For what weapon is the award presented? Like the last question, a governing directive must be consulted and a link provided.

Bonus: What device is authorized for wear on this ribbon and what is the award criteria for that device?

[DoubleHelix]

And while JohnP may not feel comfortable correcting the Colonel, I would hope that someone would quietly inform the good Colonel that there is a problem.

Perhaps stapling a note to a copy of the regulation and sliding it under his door, anonymously, would be the best way to go about correcting a situation like that. Nice way to get everyone punished though right?

[HairyEyeball]

Just to do something other than pontificate on the political panorama:

The Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon was established on January 1, 1963, by Secretary of the Air Force Eugene M. Zuckert, effective as of such date. Current authorization falls under AFI36-2803 dated 15 JUNE 2001

It was awarded to Air Force personnel who qualify as "expert" with either the M16 rifle or “.38 caliber pistol” (improper nomenclature, it was the nominal .38 cal – actually .36 cal – revolver) on the Air Force qualification course, and is worn after the Basic Military Training Honor Graduate Ribbon and before the Air Force Training Ribbon. Note absence of snide comment on latter two awards.

The bronze service star is worn on the ribbon for those personnel who, after June 22, 1972, meet award criteria with both the M16 rifle and ‘the issue handgun’.

And while we're on 'decorations', anyone care to hazard a description of decorations awarded by the Confederacy, and what was 'unusual' about any such award(s)?

[DoubleHelix]

Preliminary research shows that while they wanted to, the Confederacy never had the needed materials to produce actual decorations. Therefore the Confederate Congress passed a law creating a "Roll Of Honor" that would list soldiers who had committed valorous acts.

http://books.google.com/books?id=SdrYv7S60fgC&pg=PA579&lpg=PA579&dq=Confederate+Army+Awards&source=bl&ots=lXWGDONBIF&sig=DMLodoGbjNyS_M_g2WF7-oYmd2c&hl=en&ei=qqLkScHSO6PstgOzuOG6CQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9

[HairyEyeball]

Got the 'traces', now all you need is the cart - and the horse. A little more research is definitely in order: I'm sure some of the hard-corps Rebs know a bit more history.

[JohnP]

Got the 'traces', now all you need is the cart - and the horse. A little more research is definitely in order: I'm sure some of the hard-corps Rebs know a bit more history.

I don't know about "hard-corps" reb, but will this do?

Confederate Roll of Honor

GENERAL ORDERS No. 93.
ADJT. AND INSPECTOR GENERAL'S OFFICE,
Richmond, Va., November 22, 1862.

I. The following acts of Congress, having been approved by the President, are published for the information of the Army:

No. 27.--AN ACT to authorize the grant of medal's and badges of distinction as a reward for courage and good conduct on the field of battle.
The Congress of the Confederate States of America do enact, That the President be, and he is hereby, authorized to bestow medals, with proper devices, upon such officers of the armies of the Confederate States as shall be conspicuous for courage and good conduct on the field of battle, and also to confer a badge of distinction upon one private or non-commissioned officer of each company after every signal victory it shall have assisted to achieve. The non-commissioned officers and privates of the company who may be present on the first dress-parade thereafter may choose, by a majority of their votes, the soldier best entitled to receive such distinction, whose name shall be communicated to the President by commanding officers of the company; and if the award fall upon a deceased soldier the badge thus awarded him shall be delivered to his widow, or, if there be no widow, to any relation the President may adjudge entitled to receive it.

Approved October 13, 1862.

GENERAL ORDERS No. 131.
ADJT. AND INSPECTOR GENERAL'S OFFICE,
Richmond, Va., October 3, 1863.

Difficulties in procuring the medals and badges of distinction having delayed their presentation by the President, as authorized by the act of Congress approved October 13, 1862, to the officers, non-commissioned officers, and privates of the armies of the Confederate States conspicuous for courage and good conduct on the field of battle, to avoid postponing the grateful recognition of their valor until it can be made in the enduring form provided by that act, it is ordered--

I. That the names of all those who have been, or may hereafter be, reported as worthy of this distinction, be inscribed on a Roll of Honor, to be preserved in the office of the Adjutant and Inspector General for reference in all future time for those who have deserved well of their country, as having best displayed their courage and devotion on the field of battle.

II. That the Roll of Honor, so far as now made up, be appended to this order and read at the head of every regiment in the service of the Confederate States at the first dress-parade after its receipt, and be published in at least one newspaper in each State.

The attention of the officers in charge is directed to General Orders, No. 93, section No. 27, of the series of 1862, Adjutant and Inspector General's Office, for the mode of selecting the non-commissioned officers and privates entitled to this distinction, and its execution is enjoined.

For a list of those on the rolls please go to: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~arcivwar/csaroh2.htm

After the War Between the States, there was no official recognition of the service of Confederate Veterans, as the U.S. War Department did not, until much later, recognize these men as Veterans. Furthermore, metal was scarce, so none were awarded by the Confederate Government during the War. Around the turn of the 20th century, the United Daughters of the Confederacy created a medal appropriate for the defenders in grey; one which would show their appreciation to their Confederate ancestors and also, honor their heritage. The medal would be called The Southern Cross of Honor. Thousands of these medals were awarded. Winnie Davis, a daughter of Confederate President, Jefferson Davis, an original “Daughter of the Confederacy”, traveled around the South bestowing this medal on aging Confederate Veterans.

The Southern Cross of Honor was made in the shape of a Maltese Cross with a wreath of laurel surrounding the words “Deo Vindice 1861-1865” (God our Vindicator) and the inscription “Southern Cross of Honor” was on the face. On the reverse was a Confederate Battle Flag surrounded by a laurel wreath and the words “United Daughters of the Confederacy to the UCV.” (United Confederate Veterans)

Only a Confederate veteran could wear the Southern Cross of Honor, and it could only be bestowed through the UDC. Money could not buy the Cross. They were bought by loyal, honorable service to the South and were given in recognition of this devotion. The UDC kept a record of each man who received this precious award. These records are on file in the UDC Business Office in Richmond, Virginia.

There was also an additional medal:

New Market Cross of Honor

A twelve pointed variation of the cross pattee resting on a wreath, in the center a circular medallion bearing the seal of the State of Virginia. The four arms of the cross inscribed V.M.I. CADET BATTALION NEW MARKET MAY 15, 1864. The reverse is a smooth surface on which is stamped V.M.I. ALUMNI ASS'N. TO leaving blank space for the name of the recipient. The cross is suspended by two chains, of three links each, from an ornamental clasp, inscribed FOR VALOR. Bronze. Size 40mm. exclusive of clasp.

One of the oldest and most famous institutions of learning in the Southern states is the Virginia Military Institute, at Lexington, Virginia, which was founded in 1839. At the beginning of the Civil War the distinguished Confederate "Stonewall" Jackson was a member of the faculty. Among its graduates were five major generals, nineteen brigadier generals and over five hundred officers who served in the Confederate Army.

To carry out a scheme of cooperation with the Army of the Potomac, General Franz Sigel, with about eight thousand troops, started up the Shenandoah Valley, on the first of May, 1864, intending to march to Staunton, at the head of the valley, cross the Blue Ridge from there to Charlottesville, and continue further operations as circumstances might direct.

At New Market, about fifty miles from Winchester, he was met on May 15th by the Confederate General John C. Breckinridge, with a somewhat smaller force, and decisively defeated, being driven back about thirty miles, with a loss of seven hundred men, six guns and considerable other supplies.

General Breckenridge's force had been hastily gathered, and, with the permission of the Governor of Virginia, the Cadet Battalion of the Virginia Military Institute, consisting of two hundred and ninety-four boys, from fifteen to eighteen years of age, volunteered. The services of two hundred and fifty were accepted, the remainder being either left on guard at the Institute or sick in the hospital. They behaved with great courage during the battle, about one-quarter of their number being killed or wounded.

Forty years later the Alumni Association of the Virginia Military Institute, presented a bronze cross to each survivor of the two hundred and ninety-four Cadets, and to the families of those no longer living.

[03_SHOOTER]

The only thing I've been able to find concerning Medals actually awarded to Confederate Soldiers during the War is the Davis Guards medal, awarded for the defense of Sabine Pass Tx in 1863 by the 47 members of Company 'F', First Texas Heavy Artillery against a Union force of 22 Union warships, headed by 5 gunboats, in their attempt to take Port Arthur Tx.

Resolved, That the thanks of Congress are eminently due, and are hereby cordially given, to Captain Odlum, Lieutenant Richard Dowling, and the forty-one men composing the Davis Guards, under their command, for their daring, gallant, and successful defense of Sabine Pass, Texas, against the attack made by the enemy on the eighth of September last, with a fleet of five gunboats and twenty-two steam transports, carrying a landing force of fifteen thousand men.

Resolved, That this defense, resulting, under the providence of God, in the defeat of the enemy, the capture of two gunboats, with more than three hundred prisoners, including the commander of the fleet, the crippling of a third gunboat, the dispersion of the transports, and preventing the invasion of Texas, constitutes, in the opinion of Congress, one of the most brilliant and heroic achievements in the history of this war, and entitles the Davis Guards to the gratitude and admiration of their country.

Resolved, That the President be requested to communicate the foregoing resolutions to Captain Odlum, Lieutenant Dowling, and the men under their command.

The things that made the Davis Guard medal so unusual is that the funding for these medals was raised by the citizens of Houston. The Enlisted mens was made by taking Mexican silver 8 Reale pieces, smoothing the surface and then hand inscribing the details of the medal onto it's surfaces. The Officers medals were struck from the donated gold of ladies jewelry and mens case watches by the citizens of Houston. The awards ceremony was on 8 Sept. 1864, and the medals were presented to the troops by the Ladies of Houston.

[HairyEyeball]

Nice work, gentlemen. Continuing the theme of personal decorations and the unpleasantness of the 1860, there was an 'irregularity' in the award of the Medal of Honor to certain Union troops: Who, under what circumstances, and what was the 'resolution'?

[03_SHOOTER]

Given that, at that time, the Medal of Honor was the only medal authorized, they were essentially handed out like S&H Greenstamps, to the tune of 1,522 total during the War (out of 3,465 awarded), and as all Medals of Honor were awarded exclusively in the Union, I presume you are referring to the award of the Medal of Honor to all 864 members of the 27th Maine, for nothing more than extending their enlistments, many for only 4 days before they were discharged. In 1916, these medals, along with 29 awarded for participation in Lincolns funeral guard, six awarded to civilians, Buffalo Bill Codys, and 12 others were vacated on the recommendation by an Army review board.

[HairyEyeball]

1. Knew it would be too easy.

2. (Per Billyd:) "there will be a two hour wait from the posting of a question to the acceptance of answers..." Consider your wrist slapped, and your fine will be assessed in ammo.

3. Now you get to pose one.

[03_SHOOTER]

1. Knew it would be too easy.

2. (Per Billyd:) "there will be a two hour wait from the posting of a question to the acceptance of answers..." Consider your wrist slapped, and your fine will be assessed in ammo.

3. Now you get to pose one.

Not so quick! You posted your question at 15:12 Arizona time, and I posted my answer at 18:19 EST (DST), which means that MORE than 3 hours had elapsed! :lookaround:
OK, OK, do you want your "fine" in .45 ACP or 30-'06? :o

OK, this should be a gimme for some of us, but here goes;

What were the two primary factions involved in the debates over the proposed Constitution, and what were their main philosophical differences?

For extra credit, which one of these two groups "won" as evinced by the final form of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, as ratified?

[HairyEyeball]

1. So your explanation is that while we share the same space-time continuum, we do so in different spaces at alternate times?

2. Yes.

3. In the interest of fairness and equity, have to recuse myself from this one - that, and we don't need a six-page treatise.

[TruBlu]

What were the two primary factions involved in the debates over the proposed Constitution, and what were their main philosophical differences?

For extra credit, which one of these two groups "won" as evinced by the final form of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, as ratified?

The Federalists and the Anti-Federalists. The Federalists wanted a strong central government with representation of the people as the basis of their three branch idea. The Anti-Federalists wanted a strong national government with the states and people holding more power and the inclusion of a Bill of Rights. As ratified, the Federalists won because there was no Bill of Rights initially, only the promise that once Congress first convened, one would be drafted. So while the Anti-Federalists got their wishes, it wasn't until after the Federalists had succeeded in convincing most of the states (9) to ratify it (10 was needed).

[03_SHOOTER]

The Federalists and the Anti-Federalists. The Federalists wanted a strong central government with representation of the people as the basis of their three branch idea. The Anti-Federalists wanted a strong national government with the states and people holding more power and the inclusion of a Bill of Rights. As ratified, the Federalists won because there was no Bill of Rights initially, only the promise that once Congress first convened, one would be drafted. So while the Anti-Federalists got their wishes, it wasn't until after the Federalists had succeeded in convincing most of the states (9) to ratify it (10 was needed).

You're close, but go back and re-read the question as asked, and try again.

[TruBlu]

You're close, but go back and re-read the question as asked, and try again.

Ah the philosophy? My second attempt:

The Federalists believed in a strong central government that takes precedence over the individual states. The Anti-Federalists believed in the idea of state sovereignty, being that the individual states take precedence over the central government.

[03_SHOOTER]

OK, I knew this would be a tough one, so we'll grade this one on a HUGE "bell curve".

1) Correct as to Federalists and Anti-Federalists

2) Philosophy. The Anti-Federalists philosophy was (and among some of us, still is) that our Rights are inherently ours, granted by God Almighty, by the mere fact of being human, and that we merely lend some of our Rights to the government as specifically enumerated in the Constitution. Federalists believed (and on the other side of the aisle, some still do) that all Rights are granted to us by the government, and as such may be granted or suspended by that government at will.

3) Federalists believe in a strong central government with the authority to do whatever they deem necessary, regardless of what the Constitution says, while Anti-Federalists believed in a weak central government with the authority to do only those things that We The People, or the States could not reasonably be expected to do for ourselves, and then only so far as is specifically authorized by the Constitution.

4) Given that the question, as phrased, was "For extra credit, which one of these two groups "won" as evinced by the final form of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, as ratified?", the Anti-Federalists 'won' because the ratification of the Constitution was conditional upon the completion, adoption, and ratification of a Bill of Rights. If there had been no acceptable Bill of Rights adopted and ratified by the States, at least 5 of them would have left the Union and become Sovereign nations in their own Right.

[TruBlu]

Well I was close lol! I was thinking more about the topology of the government, not the purpose :o...

[HairyEyeball]

I beg to differ.

Had the Antifederalists truly 'won' anything but one temporary victory, all Articles of the Bill of Rights would still be in force, and the Constitution would govern the scope of Presidential, Congressional and Judicial authority. Given the fact that the Bill of Rights has effectively become a 'list of permissions' - see NFA34, GCA68, McCain-Feingold, P.A.T.R.I.O.T. and 'son of P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Acts, ad nauseum, the best that can be said is that the Antifederalists 'won' a delaying action: Did they get the Bill of Rights ratified? Yes. Was it any more than a minor stumbling block for the Federalists in their pursuit of absolute power? Sorrowfully, the answer is obvious. Fortunately, the battle still goes on.