Trivia Time!

[Billyd]

Well, I see that PhilK has gotten an answer to his question. Whether it is right or not, I'll let him say. Has my question about AF MoH Recipients stumped the class? Say it isn't so. Come on flyBoy2010, I know you have an answer. How about it Buffa1oso1di3r, I know you are in an Army program, but that hasn't stopped you yet. TruBlu, I am suprised that you haven't taken a stab at this one yet. Yep, I am surely calling you all out. :devil:

[c/ltdan2192]

The Air Force has had 59 Medals of Honor awarded, includes Army Air Corps. Of those 59, how many have been awarded to enlisted personnel?

Don't forget to check the timestamp, two hours must elapse before any answers will be accepted.

6 to: A1C William H. Pitsenbarger, A1C John L. Levitow, TSgt. Forrest L. Vosler, Sgt. Maynard H. Smith, SSgt. Archibald Mathies, and MSgt. Henry E. Erwin.

[Billyd]

6 to: A1C William H. Pitsenbarger, A1C John L. Levitow, TSgt. Forrest L. Vosler, Sgt. Maynard H. Smith, SSgt. Archibald Mathies, and MSgt. Henry E. Erwin.

I see we have a answer and that answer is correct, though it provided more information than I requested. However, since the names are now listed for all to see, my next question is this. Of the six enlisted men to receive this award, which one was the first?

[PhilK]

Mr. Zachary Taylor, Whig. He served (as President) for fewer than 500 days, amongst the years of 1849 and 1850. He served in the Army for 41 years, eventually reaching Major General before his political endeavors.

Correct. Follow on questions:

Why did he only serve so few days?

What other General from the US-Mexico War ran for the Presidency? Was he successful?

[C/CPT Hazard]

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[TruBlu]

I see we have a answer and that answer is correct, though it provided more information than I requested. However, since the names are now listed for all to see, my next question is this. Of the six enlisted men to receive this award, which one was the first?

Sergeant Maynard Smith

Found this in my research, very useful: http://afehri.maxwell.af.mil/Documents/pdf/Enlisted%20FIRSTs%20IN%20UNITED%20STATES%20AIR%20F ORCE.pdf

[TruBlu]

Correct. Follow on questions:

Why did he only serve so few days?

What other General from the US-Mexico War ran for the Presidency? Was he successful?

He served so few days because of his death in office on 4 July 1850. Official cause was gastroenteritis. Much later it was raised that his death was contributed to by poisoning, but evidence fell short of that conclusion.

The other General from the US-Mexico War who ran for presidency was Ulysses S. Grant, who was elected President in 1869 until 1877, two full terms.

[PhilK]

He served so few days because of his death in office on 4 July 1850. Official cause was gastroenteritis. Much later it was raised that his death was contributed to by poisoning, but evidence fell short of that conclusion.

Correct


The other General from the US-Mexico War who ran for presidency was Ulysses S. Grant, who was elected President in 1869 until 1877, two full terms.

Incorrect. Grant was not a General during the US-Mexico War, he was not a General until the Civil War 12 years later.

[Billyd]

Sergeant Maynard Smith

Found this in my research, very useful: http://afehri.maxwell.af.mil/Documents/pdf/Enlisted%20FIRSTs%20IN%20UNITED%20STATES%20AIR%20F ORCE.pdf

Excellent! Also, thanks for the link to your source. Get ready, because now you will need to dig for this answer.

What distinguishes Captain Lance P. Sijan from all other awardees of the Medal of Honor?

[fjer]

Check the updated ROE in this thread. There is a two hour time period that must elapse before the question can be answered.

[TruBlu]

Incorrect. Grant was not a General during the US-Mexico War, he was not a General until the Civil War 12 years later.

OK, here's another stab:

General Winfield Scott, who in 1852, was the candidate of the Whig party for President of the United States. He was unsuccessful in his endeavor, losing to Franklin Pierce, a Democrat.

Source:
http://www.sonofthesouth.net/mexican-war/winfield-scott.htm

[TruBlu]

Excellent! Also, thanks for the link to your source. Get ready, because now you will need to dig for this answer.

What distinguishes Captain Lance P. Sijan from all other awardees of the Medal of Honor?

Captain Lance P. Sijan is distinguished from the other awardees because he was the first graduate of the Air Force Academy to receive the award. Also, on his 52nd mission, he was shot down and injured severely. He refused to allow a rescue team to land because it would further endanger other soldiers. He evaded escape for 45 days, but was captured and became a POW, where he would attempt to escape uncounted times and eventually die as one.

He was posthumously awarded the MOH and the rank of Captain.

Strait from the AF itself: http://www.af.mil/history/person.asp?dec=&pid=123006524

[Billyd]

Well done, TruBlu. Guess I will have to try a bit harder to stump you all.

Try this one of for size:

Congress authorized three Medals of Honor for aviators in the period between WWI and WWII. The awards, while not combat related, were awarded to men whose courage and tenacity proved the concepts of aviation. The feats of these aviators are recognized even today as being extraordinary. Your task, should you accept it, is to provide the names of these three aviators and the acts for which they were awarded Medals of Honor.



Don't forget, there is a 2 hour waiting period before answers will be accepted.

[Airbourne Infantry]

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[TruBlu]

Well done, TruBlu. Guess I will have to try a bit harder to stump you all.

Try this one of for size:

Congress authorized three Medals of Honor for aviators in the period between WWI and WWII. The awards, while not combat related, were awarded to men whose courage and tenacity proved the concepts of aviation. The feats of these aviators are recognized even today as being extraordinary. Your task, should you accept it, is to provide the names of these three aviators and the acts for which they were awarded Medals of Honor.



Don't forget, there is a 2 hour waiting period before answers will be accepted.

OK, lets see what I've come up with here.

1. Machinist Bennett, Floyd, US Navy. "For distinguishing himself conspicuously by courage and intrepidity at the risk of his life as a member of the Byrd Arctic Expedition and thus contributing largely to the success of the first heavier-than-air flight to the North Pole and return."

2. Commander Byrd, Richard, US Navy. "For distinguishing himself conspicuously by courage and intrepidity at the risk of his life, in demonstrating that it is possible for aircraft to travel in continuous flight from a now inhabited portion of the earth over the North Pole and return."

3. Captain Lindbergh, Charles, US Army Air Corps Reserve. "For displaying heroic courage and skill as a navigator, at the risk of his life, by his nonstop flight in his airplane, the Spirit of St. Louis, from New York City to Paris, France, 20-21 May 1927, by which Capt. Lindbergh not only achieved the greatest individual triumph of any American citizen but demonstrated that travel across the ocean by aircraft was possible."

Source: http://www.cmohs.org/recipients.htm
More Specifically: http://www.history.army.mil/html/moh/interim1920-40.html

[Billyd]

All right TruBlu, time to stump you.

Which current siting Senator has been awarded the Medal of Honor?

[PhilK]

OK, here's another stab:

General Winfield Scott, who in 1852, was the candidate of the Whig party for President of the United States. He was unsuccessful in his endeavor, losing to Franklin Pierce, a Democrat.

Source:
http://www.sonofthesouth.net/mexican-war/winfield-scott.htm

Correct. In a bit of irony, both General Scott and General Taylor pursued the Presidency. General Taylor was the Commanding General of the Northern Mexico Campaign while General Scott was the Commanding General of the Southern Mexico Campaign. General Scott was also the Commanding General of the Army (as a whole). General Scott would serve as the Commaning General of the Army until 1861 and the beginning of the Civil War.

[devin0116]

Close enough to 2 hours??

Senator Daniel K. Inouye of Hawaii

http://inouye.senate.gov/

(Go to about then biography at bottom).

[TruBlu]

Close enough to 2 hours??

Senator Daniel K. Inouye of Hawaii

http://inouye.senate.gov/

(Go to about then biography at bottom).

Beat me back to it while I was waiting for time to elapse there lol!

Here's an interesting article about him from 2000: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3731/is_200006/ai_n8889209

I remember seeing a spot on the History Channel about him, a true hero that one.

Looks like you're gonna have to dig REAL deep Sergeant. Well, then again you could just go back to aerospace trivia, that's sure to stump me lol!

[devin0116]

Beat me back to it while I was waiting for time to elapse there lol!

Here's an interesting article about him from 2000: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3731/is_200006/ai_n8889209

I remember seeing a spot on the History Channel about him, a true hero that one.

Looks like you're gonna have to dig REAL deep Sergeant. Well, then again you could just go back to aerospace trivia, that's sure to stump me lol!

Sorry I was able to find this one before anyone else posted so I had to take my chance.:D

[Billyd]

All right, looks like we have a new winner. Well done all of you.

Here is one that is sure to get the head scratching going. Sorry, I have run out of MoH trivia for now. While this old Sergeant was on active duty, I had the opportunity to visit the official quarters of General John J. "Blackjack" Pershing. Now, this is the important part. There is no record of General Pershing being stationed at this post. As a bonus, General William Mitchell was stationed there when he was a Captain if I recall correctly. At least the sign outside his quarters indicated such. But don't take that as gospel. It has been a few years. What installation am I thinking of?

The clock starts now :devil:

[armysc_25b]

Got your back, Sarge!

- One member of the Coast Guard has been awarded the Medal of Honor. Who, what version, and why?

- In 1865, the Medal of Honor was presented to someone by President Andrew Johnson. The award was rescinded in 1917, and later restored in 1977. Who is the subject of this question, and why is this significant?

[devin0116]

All right, looks like we have a new winner. Well done all of you.

Here is one that is sure to get the head scratching going. Sorry, I have run out of MoH trivia for now. While this old Sergeant was on active duty, I had the opportunity to visit the official quarters of General John J. "Blackjack" Pershing. Now, this is the important part. There is no record of General Pershing being stationed at this post. As a bonus, General William Mitchell was stationed there when he was a Captain if I recall correctly. At least the sign outside his quarters indicated such. But don't take that as gospel. It has been a few years. What installation am I thinking of?

The clock starts now :devil:

Edited found answer to my question asked. Amazing what I can do with a bit of searching eh?

[devin0116]

All right, looks like we have a new winner. Well done all of you.

Here is one that is sure to get the head scratching going. Sorry, I have run out of MoH trivia for now. While this old Sergeant was on active duty, I had the opportunity to visit the official quarters of General John J. "Blackjack" Pershing. Now, this is the important part. There is no record of General Pershing being stationed at this post. As a bonus, General William Mitchell was stationed there when he was a Captain if I recall correctly. At least the sign outside his quarters indicated such. But don't take that as gospel. It has been a few years. What installation am I thinking of?

The clock starts now :devil:

I am going to say Francis E. Warren AFB.

http://wikimapia.org/21158/Francis-E-Warren-Air-Force-Base-FEW-KFEW

To answer your question Armysc 25b

-Douglas A. Munro
-Recipient of the Navy Medal of Honor
- "For extraordinary heroism and conspicuous gallantry in action above and beyond the call of duty as Officer-in-Charge of a group of Higgins boats, engaged in the evacuation of a Battalion of Marines trapped by enemy Japanese forces at Point Cruz, Guadalcanal, on September 27, 1942. After making preliminary plans for the evacuation of nearly 500 beleaguered Marines, Munro, under constant risk of his life, daringly led five of his small craft toward the shore. As he closed the beach, he signalled the others to land, and then in order to draw the enemy's fire and protect the heavily loaded boats, he valiantly placed his craft with its two small guns as a shield between the beachhead and the Japanese. When the perilous task of evacuation was nearly completed, Munro was killed by enemy fire, but his crew, two of whom were wounded, carried on until the last boat had loaded and cleared the beach. By his outstanding leadership, expert planning, and dauntless devotion to duty, he and his courageous comrades undoubtedly saved the lives of many who otherwise would have perished. He gallantly gave up his life in defense of his country"
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/16529/douglas_a_munro_the_us_coast_guards.html

- Dr. Mary E. Walker
- Only woman to recieve the Medal of Honor
http://www.pritzkermilitarylibrary.org/medalofhonor/pdf/moh-faq.pdf

[FeelinFroggy]

This man is the only officer to date to attain a five-star rank in two different U.S. military branches.

What is his name?



During WWII, he was one of five to acheive the rank of General of the Army.

Name the other four.

[armysc_25b]

Very good devin. I'll come up with more later this morning.

[Billyd]

I am going to say Francis E. Warren AFB.

http://wikimapia.org/21158/Francis-E-Warren-Air-Force-Base-FEW-KFEW



Ok, I have got to know. How did you ever answer that one?

I'll be back in a bit with another question and maybe something a little different.

[fjer]

This man is the only officer to date to attain a five-star rank in two different U.S. military branches.

What is his name?



During WWII, he was one of five to acheive the rank of General of the Army.

Name the other four.

Henry Harley "Hap"Arnold

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/hharnold.htm

The other four:
Douglas MacArthur, George C. Marshall, Dwight D. Eisenhower and Omar Nelson Bradley

[grunt0311]

What is the only USMC rank that has a chevron made for it, but it is never been worn?

[03_SHOOTER]

OK, here's one that ought to have you doing some research.

Name at least 4 Anti-Federalists (extra credit if you can get their real name and not just their pseudonym).

[TruBlu]

OK, here's one that ought to have you doing some research.

Name at least 4 Anti-Federalists (extra credit if you can get their real name and not just their pseudonym).

This was a fun one. The hard part wasn't find out who were the anti-federalists, or pseudonyms. What was hard was matching the anti-federalist to the pseudonym. Here's what I've come up with:

-Agrippa, who was believed to be James Winthrop, register of probate in Middlesex.
-Brutus, who was believed to be Robert Yates, a New York judge.
-Cato, who was believe, but no evidence supported, to be George Clinton, New York's governor.
-Centin, never identified.
-John DeWitt, never identified.
-Federal Farmer, never identified.
-Impartial Examiner, never identified.
-James Wilson, aka, James Wilson, a delegate to the Federal Convention.
-A Maryland Farmer, probably a Virgina farmer (just kidding ;))
-Melancton Smith, who was one of the most profound anti-federalist speakers.
-Robert Yates, a delegate to the Federal Convention.
-John Lansing, a delegate to the Federal Convention.

How's that Shooter?

Edit: Here's my source (http://www.constitution.org/afp)

[03_SHOOTER]

This was a fun one. The hard part wasn't find out who were the anti-federalists, or pseudonyms. What was hard was matching the anti-federalist to the pseudonym. Here's what I've come up with:

-Agrippa, who was believed to be James Winthrop, register of probate in Middlesex.
-Brutus, who was believed to be Robert Yates, a New York judge.
-Cato, who was believe, but no evidence supported, to be George Clinton, New York's governor.
-Centin, never identified.
-John DeWitt, never identified.
-Federal Farmer, never identified.
-Impartial Examiner, never identified.
-James Wilson, aka, James Wilson, a delegate to the Federal Convention.
-A Maryland Farmer, probably a Virgina farmer (just kidding ;))
-Melancton Smith, who was one of the most profound anti-federalist speakers.
-Robert Yates, a delegate to the Federal Convention.
-John Lansing, a delegate to the Federal Convention.

How's that Shooter?

Edit: Here's my source (http://www.constitution.org/afp)

Very good.

"Agrippa" was in fact James Winthrop;

"Brutus" was Robert Yates;

"Cato" is in fact believed to have been George Clinton;

Your "Centin" is supposed to be "Centinel" and the majority of them were written by Samuel Bryan, the son of George Bryan, who served as Judge on the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. It is believed by some historians that Eleazer Oswald, the owner of the Independent Gazetteer in which most of the writings were first pubished may have written a few of them;

"Federal Farmer" was primarily the work of Richard Henry Lee, the man who made the original motion in the Continental Congress for a formal Declaration of Independence, and the Great-Uncle of Robert E. Lee. There are some who believe that some of the "Federal Farmer" essays were the work of Melancton Smith, a delegate to the First Continental Congress from New York.

"A Maryland Farmer" is believed to have been John Francis Mercer based on the striking similarity of the arguments made in the essays, and those made by Mercer in his speech at the Constitutional Convention as recorded by James Madison.

Now that we've gotten you this far, and knowing that "no good deed goes unpunished", you may continue your research HERE (http://www.infoplease.com/t/hist/antifederalist/), and I will expect to begin to see your active participation in the Political Discussions, and Constitutional Discussions threads!

[TruBlu]

Very good.

"Agrippa" was in fact James Winthrop;

"Brutus" was Robert Yates;

"Cato" is in fact believed to have been George Clinton;

Your "Centin" is supposed to be "Centinel" and the majority of them were written by Samuel Bryan, the son of George Bryan, who served as Judge on the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. It is believed by some historians that Eleazer Oswald, the owner of the Independent Gazetteer in which most of the writings were first pubished may have written a few of them;

"Federal Farmer" was primarily the work of Richard Henry Lee, the man who made the original motion in the Continental Congress for a formal Declaration of Independence, and the Great-Uncle of Robert E. Lee. There are some who believe that some of the "Federal Farmer" essays were the work of Melancton Smith, a delegate to the First Continental Congress from New York.

"A Maryland Farmer" is believed to have been John Francis Mercer based on the striking similarity of the arguments made in the essays, and those made by Mercer in his speech at the Constitutional Convention as recorded by James Madison.

Now that we've gotten you this far, and knowing that "no good deed goes unpunished", you may continue your research HERE (http://www.infoplease.com/t/hist/antifederalist/), and I will expect to begin to see your active participation in the Political Discussions, and Constitutional Discussions threads!

Indeed, everyday I become more interested in government and politics. I actually want to double major, one of which being Political Sciences (the other Arabic or Russian). I've been reading the Constitutional discussion threads as quickly as posts are made in them, but most of it is way over my head and I'm really just grasping at the ideas. Hopefully I will be able to interject myself into discussion where I feel that I can at least hold my ground.

[devin0116]

What is the only USMC rank that has a chevron made for it, but it is never been worn?

I can't find anything on this. You say it has a cheveron so it can't be Private. Is it a current USMC rank?

[03_SHOOTER]

Indeed, everyday I become more interested in government and politics. I actually want to double major, one of which being Political Sciences (the other Arabic or Russian). I've been reading the Constitutional discussion threads as quickly as posts are made in them, but most of it is way over my head and I'm really just grasping at the ideas. Hopefully I will be able to interject myself into discussion where I feel that I can at least hold my ground.

OK, well if you're having trouble understanding something, don't be afraid to ASK! That's the whole purpose of the Politics and Constitution Forums is to help everyone get a better understanding of those topics.

I realize that sometimes we "old pharts" may be harsh taskmasters, but we're also smart enough to understand that an honest question deserves an honest answer, especially when dealing with those who actually want to learn.

[grunt0311]

I can't find anything on this. You say it has a cheveron so it can't be Private. Is it a current USMC rank?

yes it is a rank...but it has a chevron that has never been worn. (no its not a 'private')

[TruBlu]

yes it is a rank...but it has a chevron that has never been worn. (no its not a 'private')

LOL, I was thinking of saying that as a jest. I'm truly stumped by this one. Maybe one of our hard charging Marine wanna-be DEPs will come up with this one.

[grunt0311]

Just let me know when you give up, we'll say "uncle" will be the code word. :D

[armysc_25b]

You got me stumped, and I was looking for a good minute.

[TruBlu]

Just let me know when you give up, we'll say "uncle" will be the code word. :D

Let's wait just a little longer, see if anyone else pops in for it.

[grunt0311]

Ok, just let me know when you give up, but in the mean time:

What is the significance of the Blood Stripe on NCO/Officer Dress Blue Trousers?

If you want a hint for the other one, just let me know. :D

[AlphaNovember]

The blood stripe is worn on the dress blues trousers of NCOs and Officers in memory of the Battle of Chapultepec, in which the casualties of the Marines in that battle were mostly from the NCO and Officer ranks.

[grunt0311]

The blood stripe is worn on the dress blues trousers of NCOs and Officers in memory of the Battle of Chapultepec, in which the casualties of the Marines in that battle were mostly from the NCO and Officer ranks.

correct.

Your hint is this, female and male insignia is different for dress uniforms, and that is why this rank has never been worn. That should be a dead giveaway.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

I'm going to have to say Sergeant Major and Master Gunnery Sergeant, as they have four rockers but not four chevrons... they have three...

[grunt0311]

I'm going to have to say Sergeant Major and Master Gunnery Sergeant, as they have four rockers but not four chevrons... they have three...

I would say good guess, close even...however they do wear their rank in dress uniforms. So that would be incorrect.

Remember, a rank that exists, but its chevrons (the insignia) hasn't been worn. Also, remember my hint. :D

Good luck!

[grunt0311]

Alright, due to lack of response I am going to assume that I really have stumped everyone, so, if no response is made, when I wake up later on today (its 0500 my time), I'm going to post the answer.

So that gives anyone else about 5-6 hours.
Happy Hunting!

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

I did some searching... and I couldn't find any pictures of anyone wearing a First Sergeant's insignia... yeah, they were wearing Master Gunnery Sergeants insignia among others, but... no First Sergeant... so that's my final answer.

[03_SHOOTER]

Just a SWAG on my part (I was a Zoomie) but I'm going to say Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps (Female Rank Insignia).

[PhoenixCadet]

I did some searching... and I couldn't find any pictures of anyone wearing a First Sergeant's insignia... yeah, they were wearing Master Gunnery Sergeants insignia among others, but... no First Sergeant... so that's my final answer.

http://www.mcrdpi.usmc.mil/training/units/rtr/dischool/images/1sgtCourville.jpg

http://www.utahtribute.com/uploads/Lopez%5B1%5D.JPG

http://www.i-mef.usmc.mil/msc/1MLG/battalions/mssg11/1STSGT%20PILE2.jpg
(The JPEG is way too big to embed in the forum.)


Just a SWAG on my part (I was a Zoomie) but I'm going to say Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps (Female Rank Insignia).

Definitely have to agree with this, as there has never been a female SgtMajMC. I was a bit thrown off in the beginning by the question:

"What is the only USMC rank that has a chevron made for it, but it is never been worn?"

I say this because with that wording, it seems as if (at least, the way my mind reads it), that "female SgtMajMC" and "male SgtMajMC" are two different ranks, which I know they're not. Males and females who achieve the rank wear the same rank, just with a different size. I kept thinking some whack idea regarding the Marine Corps Band insignia, but kept coming up empty. The later comment made regarding the question solidfied my agreement with 03.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

PC: Heh... thanks.

I'm going to have to go with 03SHOOTER's guess... cause his makes more sense than mine.

[grunt0311]

Ding Ding! We have a winner. There has been no Female SgtMaj of the Marine Corps, but the insignia is still made. So that is the right answer.

How was that for a stump the audience?

[TruBlu]

Ding Ding! We have a winner. There has been no Female SgtMaj of the Marine Corps, but the insignia is still made. So that is the right answer.

How was that for a stump the audience?

LOL, we were all looking way too deep for that one! That's good for a laugh on us...:D

[C/ZOOMIE]

I don't think the last question was clear enough somehow......

[armysc_25b]

I don't think the last question was clear enough somehow......

Looking at it with my 20/20 hindsight, it's clear to me. "a rank that exists, but its chevrons (the insignia) hasn't been worn" He didn't state whether it was a currently active rank, or a rank that was a planned addition or change to be implimented but not. It was left vague to make us all think, and think we did. But, as TruBlu said (in another way altogether), we thought too hard.

[Billyd]

Ok, I'm back. My apologies for the unannounced hiatus, my family and I went to my family's for Thanksgiving and unfortunately, my mother does not have internet access. But all is well, I have successfully navigated the perils of the dinner table and survived the heavy dose of Tryptophan to return and pose this question to you:

The typical military installation has how many trucks on it?

[army_grunt_11B]

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[TruBlu]

Ok, I'm back. My apologies for the unannounced hiatus, my family and I went to my family's for Thanksgiving and unfortunately, my mother does not have internet access. But all is well, I have successfully navigated the perils of the dinner table and survived the heavy dose of Tryptophan to return and pose this question to you:

The typical military installation has how many trucks on it?

Well, this could be spun multiple ways now can't it Sarge? I'm guessing you are going with the not so familiar use of "truck" and say that it depends on the number of flag poles on any given base (I didn't know that before today lol). Otherwise, I'm not sure we would ever get a number when you are talking about vehicles.

http://www.braingle.com/brainteasers/teaser.php?op=2;id=28910;comm=0

In my search for this answer, I came across this:

Military flagpoles do, however, have a small cache of supplies buried at their base. These include easy-to-erect barriers, several fully automatic rifles and handguns, thousands of rounds of ammunition, grenades, and a few anti-tank rockets. The idea is that the last few survivors of a raid might be able to hold off attackers Alamo-style until help arrives. Certainly this makes more sense than a grain of rice and a penny.

In addition, U.S. flagpoles are filled with explosives that can be triggered by a hidden switch at the pole's base. These explosives will destroy the flag to prevent its capture and kill or seriously wound anyone within 100 meters, hopefully taking out a big batch of attackers in a final blaze of glory. These explosives exist in all U.S. government-owned flagpoles, including those in public schools.

http://www.all-lies.com/legends/government/military/flagpoles.shtml

What the hell? Does any of that hold any truth at all?

[army_grunt_11B]

No its one of those myth stories military personal love to spread. No flag pole has a weapon chache under it, and no flag pole is filled with he.

[Billyd]

Well, this could be spun multiple ways now can't it Sarge? I'm guessing you are going with the not so familiar use of "truck" and say that it depends on the number of flag poles on any given base (I didn't know that before today lol). Otherwise, I'm not sure we would ever get a number when you are talking about vehicles.

http://www.braingle.com/brainteasers/teaser.php?op=2;id=28910;comm=0

In my search for this answer, I came across this:



What the hell? Does any of that hold any truth at all?


But does this answer my question? There is an answer and remember I am asking about a typical military installation.

[TruBlu]

OK, I'll say one: located on top of the HQ's flag pole.

[Billyd]

OK, I'll say one: located on top of the HQ's flag pole.

Yes, one it is. As to the location, the Base/Post flagpole. And since that flagpole is usually adjacent to HQ, I'll accept that as well. So, on to the next question. Staying with the flagpole theme, according to the US Code which governs such things, in what manner is the flag to be displayed on Memorial Day and how do you get it there?

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

Half-staff.

To get a flag to half-staff, you raise it to the full height, then you lower it to half-staff.

[TruBlu]

Half-staff.

To get a flag to half-staff, you raise it to the full height, then you lower it to half-staff.

Oh my friend you missed a detail.

Yes, one it is. As to the location, the Base/Post flagpole. And since that flagpole is usually adjacent to HQ, I'll accept that as well. So, on to the next question. Staying with the flagpole theme, according to the US Code which governs such things, in what manner is the flag to be displayed on Memorial Day and how do you get it there?

The flag is to be flown at half-staff until noon. After noon it is meant to be flown at its highest. When raising the flag to half-staff, one must raise the flag to its highest, then return it to half-staff. After noon, one must raise the flag to its highest. This can be done by simply raising it from half-staff to its highest.

[Billyd]

Details, the devil is in those details. Nice try Buffa1oso1di3r, but TruBlu has it correct. The flag is flown at half-staff until noon and then at full staff for the remainder of the day. Here is a question that will get even some of the old-timers pause. When raising or lowering the flag, on which side should the person manning the halyards be? And for the bonus, can you tell me why?

[PhilK]

Once upon a time the Army had more then one Specialist rank. The questions are the following:

1.) How high up the pay scale did the Specialist ranks go?

2.) When were the other Specialist ranks discontinued?

Bonus: Prior to the Specialist ranks, what were the "Specialist" ranks in the Army and what unique feature did they possess when compared to other NCO insignia.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

1. They went up to Specialist 9.
2. 1965 (9 and 8), 1978 (7), and 1985 (6 and 5).

They featured "upside down" chevrons, with rockers added to the top, in addition to the Eagle insignia. They were created to reward those who had higher degrees and technical experience, but did not have the necessary requirements to become NCOs.

[PhilK]

1. They went up to Specialist 9.
2. 1965 (9 and 8), 1978 (7), and 1985 (6 and 5).

They featured "upside down" chevrons, with rockers added to the top, in addition to the Eagle insignia. They were created to reward those who had higher degrees and technical experience, but did not have the necessary requirements to become NCOs.

Correct on one and two...but the answer I am looking for on the bonus is a bit older then what has already been discussed. (I don't want to give too much away.)

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

OH! I misread it!

The Technician rank, which had a "T" in the insignia. I think.

[Billyd]

Details, the devil is in those details. Nice try Buffa1oso1di3r, but TruBlu has it correct. The flag is flown at half-staff until noon and then at full staff for the remainder of the day. Here is a question that will get even some of the old-timers pause. When raising or lowering the flag, on which side should the person manning the halyards be? And for the bonus, can you tell me why?

Do you mean to tell me that I stumped you all? Come on, someone out there has to know the answer to this.

[03_SHOOTER]

Details, the devil is in those details. Nice try Buffa1oso1di3r, but TruBlu has it correct. The flag is flown at half-staff until noon and then at full staff for the remainder of the day. Here is a question that will get even some of the old-timers pause. When raising or lowering the flag, on which side should the person manning the halyards be? And for the bonus, can you tell me why?

The Flag detail is to take their original position to the leeward of the flag pole during the raising and lowering, and the SSAM manning the halyards remains positioned to the leeward of the flag to ensure that the flag does not become entangled in the halyards during the raising or lowering.

[JohnP]

Here is a question that will get even some of the old-timers pause. When raising or lowering the flag, on which side should the person manning the halyards be? And for the bonus, can you tell me why?

The detail is formed in line with the NCO carrying the flag in the center. The detail is then marched to the flagstaff and halted, and the flag is attached to the halyards. The flag is always raised and lowered from the leeward side of the flagstaff. The two junior enlisted attend the halyards, taking a position facing the staff to hoist the flag without entangling the halyards. The NCO continues to hold the flag until it is hoisted clear of the grasp, taking particular care that no portion of the flag touches the ground. When the flag is clear of the grasp, the NCO comes to attention and executes present arms.

On the last note of the music or after the flag has been hoisted to the staff head, all members of the detail execute order arms on command of the senior member. The halyards are then secured to the cleat of the staff or, if appropriate, the flag is lowered to halfstaff and the halyard secured. The detail is formed again and marched to the dismissal area.

In accordance with Air Force Regulations.

[PhilK]

OH! I misread it!

The Technician rank, which had a "T" in the insignia. I think.

You would think correctly.

During WWII the rank for Technicians was the same as the NCOs except for the "T" in the middle.

For more info about this and the Specialist ranks:
http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/Rank_page/History_of_Enlisted_Ranks.htm

[Billyd]

Ok, looks the "Old Timers" win one. Ok, something a little easier. The flag of the United States has two dimensions. Name them (BTW, length and width are not them).


:devil:

[TruBlu]

Ok, looks the "Old Timers" win one. Ok, something a little easier. The flag of the United States has two dimensions. Name them (BTW, length and width are not them).


:devil:

Had me stumped on the other one. This one I'll take a shot at:

The stars and bars aka the Union and the Stripes. The Union with its 50 stars representing the 50 states. The Stripes, 13 in number, representing the 13 original colonies.

[Billyd]

Had me stumped on the other one. This one I'll take a shot at:

The stars and bars aka the Union and the Stripes. The Union with its 50 stars representing the 50 states. The Stripes, 13 in number, representing the 13 original colonies.

Not even close.

[JohnP]

It's been a while, here's the hint: http://www.usflag.org/flagspecs.html

[devin0116]

So it's the 'hoist' and 'fly'? If thats wrong I am completely lost.

[Billyd]

Hoist and Fly would be correct. Now, since JohnP provided a link to flag specs, thanks JohnP, take some time a look them over. Good information and you never know when I might come up with a question from that site.

Now, let's see if this old NCO can come up with a real head scratcher.

Let's try this one on for size. After a long and distinguished career, this aircraft built by the Douglas Aircraft Division of McDonnell-Douglas Aircraft Corporation was retired from active duty after 35 years of service. The first one was accepted by Lt. Col. Mary Ann Tonne on June 17, 1968. There are three pieces of information that I am looking for on this one:

What is the official designation of the aircraft:
What name is the aircraft known by:
Why was that name selected for the aircraft:

Good luck!

[flyBoy2010]

Let's try this one on for size. After a long and distinguished career, this aircraft built by the Douglas Aircraft Division of McDonnell-Douglas Aircraft Corporation was retired from active duty after 35 years of service. The first one was accepted by Lt. Col. Mary Ann Tonne on June 17, 1968. There are three pieces of information that I am looking for on this one:

What is the official designation of the aircraft:
C-9

What name is the aircraft known by:
Nightingale

Why was that name selected for the aircraft:
It was in honor of Florence Nightingale, the British nurse who pioneered military nursing during the Crimean War.


Here's my source: http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123026289

[Billyd]

Looks like flyboy gets another one. Let me dig deep into the archive for the next one.

Try this one on for size. At the graveside of a fallen service member, three volleys are fired. What is the purpose of this salute, and where does it come from?

[flyBoy2010]

At the graveside of a fallen service member, three volleys are fired. What is the purpose of this salute, and where does it come from?

It comes from the when armies would stop the fighting to clear the dead off the battlefield. After they were done, each side would fire 3 volleys to signal that they were done.

[Billyd]

It comes from the when armies would stop the fighting to clear the dead off the battlefield. After they were done, each side would fire 3 volleys to signal that they were done.


Not according to my source. Let's try again. Also, you missed the purpose of this volley.

[JohnP]

Quote:
Originally Posted by flyBoy2010
It comes from the when armies would stop the fighting to clear the dead off the battlefield. After they were done, each side would fire 3 volleys to signal that they were done.


Not according to my source. Let's try again. Also, you missed the purpose of this volley.

Everything I've read from Wikepedia and the Department of Veteran's Affairs shows flyboy2010 correct. "The practice of firing gun salutes was well established by the sixteenth century, although gun salutes had existed for centuries. Later, the number of guns to fire was designated for various ceremonies, honors and officials — in relation to their importance and position. The firing of three rifle volleys (rounds) over the graves of fallen armed forces members and political leaders can be traced to the European dynastic wars, when fighting was halted to remove the dead and wounded. Once an area was cleared of casualties, three volleys were sent into the air as a signal to resume fighting."

On About.com the following is written:
Graveside military honors include the firing of three volleys each by seven service members. This commonly is confused with an entirely separate honor, the 21-gun salute. But the number of individual gun firings in both honors evolved the same way.

The three volleys came from an old battlefield custom. The two warring sides would cease hostilities to clear their dead from the battlefield, and the firing of three volleys meant that the dead had been properly cared for and the side was ready to resume the battle.

The 21-gun salute traces its roots to the Anglo-Saxon empire, when seven guns constituted a recognized naval salute, as most naval vessels had seven guns. Because gunpowder in those days could be more easily stored on land than at sea, guns on land could fire three rounds for every one that could be fired by a ship at sea.

Later, as gunpowder and storage methods improved, salutes at sea also began using 21 guns. The United States at first used one round for each state, attaining the 21-gun salute by 1818. The nation reduced its salute to 21 guns in 1841, and formally adopted the 21-gun salute at the suggestion of the British in 1875.

A U.S. presidential death also involves other ceremonial gun salutes and military traditions. On the day after the death of the president, a former president or president-elect -- unless this day falls on a Sunday or holiday, in which case the honor will rendered the following day -- the commanders of Army installations with the necessary personnel and material traditionally order that one gun be fired every half hour, beginning at reveille and ending at retreat.

On the day of burial, a 21-minute gun salute traditionally is fired starting at noon at all military installations with the necessary personnel and material. Guns will be fired at one-minute intervals. Also on the day of burial, those installations will fire a 50-gun salute -- one round for each state -- at five- second intervals immediately following lowering of the flag.

I'm interested in hearing what I missed.

[Billyd]

I went back and rechecked my source and I had misread it. Flyboy, my appologies, you are correct. Darn those details :nervous:.

By tradition in military funeral honors, a single riderless horse follows the caisson. Only certain individuals qualify for this honor. My question to you is two part. Who qualifies for this honor and what term is used to refer to this horse?

[army_grunt_11B]

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[flyBoy2010]

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[Billyd]

The two hour rule is still in effect. And since both responses are within that two hour window, neither is accepted.

[TruBlu]

By tradition in military funeral honors, a single riderless horse follows the caisson. Only certain individuals qualify for this honor. My question to you is two part. Who qualifies for this honor and what term is used to refer to this horse?

The horse is referred to as the "caparisoned horse," and is traditionally reserved for use of a President, being the Commander in Chief, or an Army or Marine Corps officer who had retained the rank of Colonel or above.

[Billyd]

The horse is referred to as the "caparisoned horse," and is traditionally reserved for use of a President, being the Commander in Chief, or an Army or Marine Corps officer who had retained the rank of Colonel or above.


Retained or Attained the rank of Colonel or above? There is a difference

[TruBlu]

Retained or Attained the rank of Colonel or above? There is a difference

Excuse me, I meant attained, my mistake.

[Billyd]

Very good. We have a winner! Stand by for the next question. I have some housekeeping details to attend to and will return shortly.

[PhilK]

When was the Battle of New Orleans? (The one with Andrew Jackson)

What war was it a part of?

When was the peace treaty for that war signed?

[armysc_25b]

While George Washington is recognized as the first President of the United States, he is in reality the first President under the Constitution. Prior to the ratification of the Constitution, there was an office which shared the title of President, but nothing else. What was this position called, who was the first person to serve in this position, what document was ratified during this position's existence, and who is (arguably) the most well-known of the persons who served in this position, and why would he be considered the most well known?

[TruBlu]

When was the Battle of New Orleans? (The one with Andrew Jackson)

What war was it a part of?

When was the peace treaty for that war signed?

January 8, 1815, during the War of 1812. The peace treaty was signed on December 24, 1814, in Ghent, Belgium, but word didn't reach the forces in America until after the fact.

[army_grunt_11B]

When was the Battle of New Orleans? (The one with Andrew Jackson)

What war was it a part of?

When was the peace treaty for that war signed?

1. 18150108
2. War of 1812
3. 18141224 (word hadn't been spread to the parties taking action)

[TruBlu]

While George Washington is recognized as the first President of the United States, he is in reality the first President under the Constitution. Prior to the ratification of the Constitution, there was an office which shared the title of President, but nothing else. What was this position called, who was the first person to serve in this position, what document was ratified during this position's existence, and who is (arguably) the most well-known of the persons who served in this position, and why would he be considered the most well known?

John Hanson (1715-1783) was the first 'president.' He was elected as the President of the Colonies with the adoption of the Articles of Confederation on March 1, 1781.

Arguably the most well-known person to serve in this capacity is Arthur Sr. Clair. During his time in office, the Constitution was ratified. He is not the first President under the Constitution because that form of government wasn't enacted until March 4, 1789.

[devin0116]

When was the Battle of New Orleans? (The one with Andrew Jackson)

What war was it a part of?

When was the peace treaty for that war signed?

When: January 8, 1815

War: War of 1812

Signed Treaty: Treaty of Ghent December 24, 1814


EDIT: I suppose I got to this one a bit late

[PhilK]

January 8, 1815, during the War of 1812. The peace treaty was signed on December 24, 1814, in Ghent, Belgium, but word didn't reach the forces in America until after the fact.

Correct.

What prominent officer served in the War of 1812, US-Mexico War and at the beginning of the Civil War?

[armysc_25b]

John Hanson (1715-1783) was the first 'president.' He was elected as the President of the Colonies with the adoption of the Articles of Confederation on March 1, 1781.

Arguably the most well-known person to serve in this capacity is Arthur Sr. Clair. During his time in office, the Constitution was ratified. He is not the first President under the Constitution because that form of government wasn't enacted until March 4, 1789.

Mr. Hanson was not the first to serve in said role, nor is that title actually the correct one. The first man's term actually started before the Declaration of Independance was signed (and this hints to the next part).

Arthur St. Clair may have been in office when the Constitution was ratified, however before researching for this question I'd personally never heard of him, and the same could possibly be said for others as well. The man I'm referring to (which is why I used arguably) has a prominent role in an important document in American history, and his name is still used today when referring to an action. A good find on your part nonetheless, and an interesting piece of history to share, but unfortunately this isn't the one I was looking for.

[JohnP]

While George Washington is recognized as the first President of the United States, he is in reality the first President under the Constitution. Prior to the ratification of the Constitution, there was an office which shared the title of President, but nothing else. What was this position called, who was the first person to serve in this position, what document was ratified during this position's existence, and who is (arguably) the most well-known of the persons who served in this position, and why would he be considered the most well known?

Presidents of the Congress
The following list is of those who led the Congress of the Confederation under the Articles of Confederation as the Presidents of the United States in Congress Assembled. Under the Articles, the president was the presiding officer of Congress, chaired the Cabinet (the Committee of the States) when Congress was in recess, and performed other administrative functions. He was not, however, a chief executive in the way the successor President of the United States is a chief executive, but all of the functions he executed were under the auspices and in service of the Congress.
• Samuel Huntington (March 1, 1781– July 9, 1781)
• Thomas McKean (July 10, 1781–November 4, 1781)
• John Hanson (November 5, 1781– November 3, 1782)
• Elias Boudinot (November 4, 1782– November 2, 1783)
• Thomas Mifflin (November 3, 1783– October 31, 1784)
• Richard Henry Lee (November 30, 1784– November 6, 1785)
• John Hancock (November 23, 1785– May 29, 1786)
• Nathaniel Gorham (June 6, 1786– November 5, 1786)
• Arthur St. Clair (February 2, 1787– November 4, 1787)
• Cyrus Griffin (January 22, 1788– November 2, 1788)

Who is the most famous of this group? It depends on who you talk to. Personally I prefer Richard Henry Lee, brother of Lighthorse Gary Lee, the greatest general in our history and father of Robert E. Lee.

[armysc_25b]

Personally I was shooting for John Hancock as the "arguably most famous", but you're right, it does depend so I'll close this open ended question off, though people are still welcome to chime their opinions.

Now that we know who the President of the Congress was when the Articles were ratified, what is unique about how he assumed the position?

[Billyd]

Ok, here's one worthy of a splinter or two as you scratch your noggin trying to figure this out. When President Harry S. Truman signed the National Security Act of 1947, he was preparing to depart on a trip, to where matters not. What matters is where he was. He was sitting aboard his official aircraft. By what name was this aircraft known? And just for fun, tell me one special thing about this aircraft along with a link, if you please.

[Billyd]

Wow, seems we have found a number of questions the cadets are having troubles finding answers to. Are they stumped or are they just biding their time and trying to catch us off guard?

[TruBlu]

Ok, here's one worthy of a splinter or two as you scratch your noggin trying to figure this out. When President Harry S. Truman signed the National Security Act of 1947, he was preparing to depart on a trip, to where matters not. What matters is where he was. He was sitting aboard his official aircraft. By what name was this aircraft known? And just for fun, tell me one special thing about this aircraft along with a link, if you please.

OK I'm going to take a shot at this one. It's either the "Sacred Crow" or the "Independence." It's hard to know which one you are talking about here because of the time reference. But, I'm going to go with the "Sacred Crow."

After signing the National Security act of 1947, the Air Force came into existence, and the "Sacred Crow" was retired and replaced by the "Independence." But, the last day that the "Sacred Crow" was used was the day of the signing. So, while he may have planned the trip on it, he actually flew on the "Independence."

Fun fact for the "Sacred Crow:" It's most famous trip would be the one to the Yalta Conference. Also, on the nose of the craft, a picture of each flag of the countries he had visited were painted.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3101/is_/ai_n29440810

http://cdm.sos.mo.gov/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/trumanlib&CISOPTR=2025&CISOBOX=1&REC=3

[Billyd]

Well done, TruBlu. Yes the aircraft was the "Sacred Cow." And, as you noted, it did indeed transport President Franklin D. Roosevelt to the Conference at Yalta. While certainly interesting, I am looking more for something about the aircraft itself, and not the missions it performed. Anyone else want to take a stab?

Since the original question was answered, I am suspending the 2 hour rule on this one.

[TruBlu]

Well done, TruBlu. Yes the aircraft was the "Sacred Cow." And, as you noted, it did indeed transport President Franklin D. Roosevelt to the Conference at Yalta. While certainly interesting, I am looking more for something about the aircraft itself, and not the missions it performed. Anyone else want to take a stab?

Since the original question was answered, I am suspending the 2 hour rule on this one.

I think I got it, and figured I would take a second stab since no one else is.

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=566

The first purpose-built aircraft to fly the president of the United States, the Sacred Cow is the only VC-54C ever constructed. To an untrained eye, it looks like any other C-54, but the Sacred Cow is unique. Beginning with a C-54A fuselage and C-54B wings, Douglas made numerous modifications. For example, the ailerons are different from any B model. Furthermore, the Sacred Cow underwent extensive interior modifications. One special feature is an elevator behind the passenger cabin to lift the president in his wheelchair in and out of the plane -- an otherwise difficult procedure. The passenger compartment includes a conference room with a large desk and a bulletproof picture window.

[armysc_25b]

I've still got an open question hanging a few posts back...

[Billyd]

Good job, TruBlu. Now, let's see if anyone can finish off ArmySC_25B's question. I'll be back later today with another question as well.

[03_SHOOTER]

Now that we know who the President of the Congress was when the Articles were ratified, what is unique about how he assumed the position?

OK, since it's been a week, and nobody has chimed in yet, I'll address it. The President of the Congress, under the Articles of Confederation, was a delegate elected by the other delegates to preside over the meetings of the Congress, but who had no powers, duties, or responsibilities outside of the meetings of the Congress.

Also, while the most "famous" President of the Congress, in my mind, was Patrick Henry, due to the fact that he was gravely ill, he never actually served in that capacity, so, and again, this is strictly my own personal opinion, the most famous "serving" President of the Congress would have been Richard Henry Lee who wrote a great many of the Anti-Federalist Papers using the pseudonym "Federal Farmer", as well as his being the Great-Uncle of General Robert E. Lee.

[TruBlu]

Has the trivia thread been forgotten? I sure hope not, it was really going strong there. Figured I would bump it and call it to the forefront for some much needed attention.

[Billyd]

No, it hasn't. I have some questions on tap, but real life has taken over for a bit and I haven't been able to prepare the questions to my liking.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

It hasn't been forgotten, I just left for a while to spend Christmas break with my family instead of on the computer. ;)

[armysc_25b]

I guess this means I need to start digging for new questions also...

[TruBlu]

Understandable on all fronts. I too have taken a step back from the boards over most the break. Just throwing it back out there and reminding us all that it's still here.

[Billyd]

Thanks to one of our more seasoned members, I have been provided the following question and thought it worthy to post right away (thanks wukong).

As you know the Air Force has units and elements of units stationed all over the world. However, there is one Air Force Wing that has not been stationed in the United State. Your task, if you choose to accept it is to identify that wing and where it is stationed at this time.

Remember the two hour wait prior to answers being accepted. Good Luck.

[TruBlu]

I'll take a stab.

The 13th Air Force has never been stationed in the United States, but more specifically you ask for Wing level. The 36th Wing falls under the command of the 13th Air Force and is stationed at Anderson AFB in Guam.

Sources:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/usaf/13af.htm
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/36th-Wing
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Andersen-Air-Force-Base

[Sanguinary]

I'll take a stab.

The 13th Air Force has never been stationed in the United States, but more specifically you ask for Wing level. The 36th Wing falls under the command of the 13th Air Force and is stationed at Anderson AFB in Guam.

Sources:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/usaf/13af.htm
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/36th-Wing
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Andersen-Air-Force-Base

This was my guess. I looked it up earlier and then something came up. Doh!

[Billyd]

Sorry gents, Wings at various time are moved around for various reasons. Just because a wing falls under a particular Numbered Air Force today, does not mean that it has always been under that Numbered Air Force for its entire history. Let's try again.

[fjer]

The 374th Airlift Wing

Source:
http://www.yokota.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=6830

[wukong]

Good research fjer.

What Air Force Squadron dropped the last bomb in hostile action in South East Asia? What was the mission? Who were the supported force?

[wukong]

Hint,

It was dropped by a 4 engine bomber.

[navytrooper]

Good research fjer.

What Air Force Squadron dropped the last bomb in hostile action in South East Asia? What was the mission? Who were the supported force?

My guess is:
The mission was Operation Linebacker II, more specifically, strikes by 60 B-52s - 15 Gs and 15 Ds from Andersen and 30 Ds from U-Tapao; the aircraft formed six waves attacking five targets. Four of the waves struck targets in the Hanoi area (including SAM Support Facility #58), while the fifth hit the Lang Dang Railroad yards southwest of Lang Son, a major chokepoint on the supply route from the People's Republic of China.

I don't get the question (supported force?) but I'm guessing the supported force is the South Vietnamese Army?

The Squadron is...um...well I think it's part of the 307th Bombardment Wing? Don't know the exact squadron.

Heheh sorry I'm not too good at this..:D

EDIT: Oh snap I just realized B-52s aren't 4 engine! Oh well...

[wukong]

Next hint, Khmer Rouge

[wukong]

Good Ship Mayaguez?

[TruBlu]

I'm stumped at the moment. Even with all the hints, I still haven't found much of anything. I'm probably just looking in the wrong places. Anyone else taking a shot at this one?

[AlphaNovember]

Good research fjer.

What Air Force Squadron dropped the last bomb in hostile action in South East Asia? What was the mission? Who were the supported force?

The last bomb (a BLU-82) was dropped by a C-130 from the ----. It was done in support of the operation to rescue the US Marines who participated in the mission to take back the SS Mayaguez from the Khmer Rouge.

---- = Don't know the squadron, just know the aircraft.

[navytrooper]

OH MY GOSH I KNOW THE MISSION

The Mayaguez incident: On 12 May 1975, Cambodian gunboats seized the U.S. merchant ship Mayaguez near Cambodia's Koh Tang Island. Claiming the ship was spying, Cambodia's Khmer Rouge government imprisoned the forty‐member crew. The resulting rescue operation by the U.S. is considered the last battle of the Vietnam War, even though it wasn't in Vietnam.

EDIT: Curses, AlphaNovember! :D

[wukong]

The rescue of the Mayaguez crew was a dress rehearsal for the Desert One rescue of hostages in Iran. Results were more deadly and just as futile. The Air Force lost 16 Security Police troops that composed the initial "assault" force. Marines left 3 behind that were probably beaten to death as they were evacuated. Air Force/Marine Corps coordination/cooperation is probably at the same level today as existed in 1975.

For the squadron check out Ching Chuan Kang AB

[wukong]

The 50th Tactical Airlift Squadron.

I guess that we need to stick to easy stuff.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/usaf/50as.htm

[TruBlu]

Interesting...

Of course the trivia time regulars haven't really been around too much being on break. I'm thinking flyboy2010 could have cracked that one.

[wukong]

Well try this one. What General spent 6 days in a life raft and what was his last military office?

[wukong]

Pacific Theater, WWII

[navytrooper]

It's General Nathan Farragut Twining, last office is the Chairman of the JCS.

[armysc_25b]

On January 9, 1861, two notable event happened in the US. One event included a state seceding from the Union, and another event is fairly significant to the war that followed. Which state and what event am I talking about?

[Drill for life]

Content deleted for breaking the two hour rule. Please refer to the ROE thread in this forum.

[navytrooper]

The state is South Carolina. I think the event is that South Carolina fired the first shots of the Civil War.

[FeelinFroggy]

The state is South Carolina. I think the event is that South Carolina fired the first shots of the Civil War. I believe you have the wrong state in mind. Think further west.

[armysc_25b]

I believe you have the wrong state in mind. Think further west.
Correct on the hint. And correct that the event occured in South Carolina, but what was involved in this incident? There's a vessel involved here.

[fjer]

Citadel cadets fired on the Star of the West, a merchant ship carrying supplies; these shots are considered the first in the Civil War.
http://www.civilwar.org/preservation/morrisisland/History/brief%20history.htm

Mississippi became the 2nd state to secede.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~arlonoke/secession_of_states.htm

[armysc_25b]

Citadel cadets fired on the Star of the West, a merchant ship carrying supplies; these shots are considered the first in the Civil War.
http://www.civilwar.org/preservation/morrisisland/History/brief%20history.htm

Mississippi became the 2nd state to secede.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~arlonoke/secession_of_states.htm
In a comical voice reminiscent of the fat guy in Billy Madison: "That is correct"

[fjer]

I think I'll toss out a question of my own: what famous general was the great-grandson of Martha Washington (by marriage)?

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

Oh, this one is easy. But, I'll wait for the 2 hour rule to expire...

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

Now... the reply.

Robert E. Lee, Confederate General and West Point Graduate, married the Great-Grand daughter of Martha Washington (by her first husband).

[fjer]

Now... the reply.

Robert E. Lee, Confederate General and West Point Graduate, married the Great-Grand daughter of Martha Washington (by her first husband).

That's it.

[wukong]

Who was the first West Point Cadet to be directly commissioned into the Marine Corps in the 20th Century?

[navytrooper]

John Southy Grinalds!
Attended the U.S. Military Academy, graduated in 1959. He was the first West Point cadet since 1814 to be commissioned directly into the Marine Corps.

:deshelmet:

[wukong]

MGen Grinalds recently retired as President of The Citadel. He won this battle for the Presidency of The Citadel over two other Marine Corps General Officers that were wounded at a battle for another Citadel. Name the place of battle and the two generals.

[wukong]

One of the two General Officers was Lt. Gen. H.C. Stackpole. The unofficial rumor passed around III MEF when I was assigned there was that Gen Stackpole was given up as dead. While being placed in a body bag, he was found to be barely breathing. I have not been able to confirm this via the internet. The other General Officer can be confirmed.

[wukong]

The other General was Lt Gen Christmas. Yes Virginia there is a general Christmas.

[Javelin66]

I've had enough of this drivel about the junior services. Here are a few questions about the Army:

Which Army branch has 'funny' buttons?

The 82nd Airborne Division has the 504th PIR, 505th PIR, and the 325th AIR. All three are similarly organized parachute infantry organizations. What do the different designations mean, and why are they different to this day?

As a steely eyed, freedom loving, barrel chested Paratrooper, I refer to everyone else (especially Marines), by the endearing term 'Leg'. Where did that term originate?

What are the three rules of the air?

Do push ups until you come up with the answers.

[wukong]

To close out my question. The Citadel was part of the old Vietnamese imperial capitol at Hue. This may be trivia, but it should be a learning experience for those who wish to be Marines or professional soldiers. The assault on Hue is important as it entailed the utilization of combined arms, interservice and international military cooperation. If you want to be in the profession of arms, start learning your business rather than worrying about a ribbon for shining shoes.

What are the three rules of the air?

There are only two rules of air combat. Cheat and check your 6 o-clock.

[Javelin66]

C'mon, Wu, remember your sustained airborne training (pre-jump). Here's one of them:

Always look before you turn

[03_SHOOTER]

What are the three rules of the air?

1) The turbines/propellers/rotors only spin to keep the pilot cool while at altitude. If you doubt this, stop them and watch him sweat.

2) The only time you have too much fuel in an aircraft is when it's on fire, any other time, you don't have enough.

3) In flight, always remember that if you push the yoke forward, the houses get bigger, if you pull the yoke back, the houses get smaller.

[Javelin66]

Not so much.

Always look before you turn
Turn right to avoid collision
The lower jumper always had the right away.

[Javelin66]

I've had enough of this drivel about the junior services. Here are a few questions about the Army:

Which Army branch has 'funny' buttons?

The 82nd Airborne Division has the 504th PIR, 505th PIR, and the 325th AIR. All three are similarly organized parachute infantry organizations. What do the different designations mean, and why are they different to this day?

As a steely eyed, freedom loving, barrel chested Paratrooper, I refer to everyone else (especially Marines), by the endearing term 'Leg'. Where did that term originate?

What are the three rules of the air?

Do push ups until you come up with the answers.

The Engineers wear 'funny buttons'- instead of the eagle and shield from the US seal, their buttons have a battlement with the Engineer motto 'Essayons'

The PIRs are Parachute Infantry Regiments, while the AIR is an Airborne Infantry Regiment. The distinction comes from the early days of Airborne. The PIRs were formed from scratch, but the Army took existing infantry regiments to form the Glider Infantry Regiments. When these units were converted to Parachute Infantry after the war, they took the new designation 'Airborne Infantry'

Since Paratroopers 'bloused' their trousers into their jump boots, they referred to everyone else as 'straight legs', soon shortened to just 'legs'.

The three rules of the air are the rules that jumpers follow during their third point of performance (Keep a sharp lookout for your fellow jumpers and avoid all jumpers all the way to the ground):

Always look before you turn
Turn right to avoid collision
The lower jumper has the right of way

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

More Trivia, please? :)

[Billyd]

Forgive me, I know it has been a while since I have asked a question. Here is one that I suspect will take a day or two.


Cadets, while the procession bearing President Regan's body was moving to the Capitol, a flight of aircraft performed the "Missing Man" formation. My question to you today is this: What aircraft were utilized and from what unit were they from.



Don't forget, there is a minimum of a two hour wait before answers will be accepted. Any answers before that time will be deleted.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

Okay then, I have an answer. *waits for the end of the two-hour waiting period*

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

F-15E's from the 4th Tactical Fighter Wing.

Source: http://www.pixdatabase.com/photo/8954/ -- which was pulled from an AF magazine.

[Ivan_The_Mute]

Ok, I've got a question for all of y'all. Not so much "trivia" but more of a bit of history which is important for everyone to learn.

1: Name the act, and year of said act, that created the pay grades E-8 and E-9.

2: What was the highest pay grade (not rank) BEFORE said act?

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

1. Department of the Army Circular No. 202, dated 7 July 1948

2. 1st Grade

[Ivan_The_Mute]

1. Department of the Army Circular No. 202, dated 7 July 1948

2. 1st Grade

Got the 2nd one right, but the first one wrong. Anyone wanna take a stab at it? A hint, it is an actual Act of Congress, and applied to all branches of the Service, not just the Army.

[Ivan_The_Mute]

Alright, Buffalo gets the only point on this one. The correct answer to part 1 was the Military Pay act of 1958 (which created the grades of E-8 and E-9 for all branches.) Public Law 85- 422 would have also been acceptable.

Next one (this should be easier: ) How many Presidents served in the Armed Forces of the United States (in this question, all branches count as well as all recognized Militia units.)

For bonus points, among those Presidents, who held the highest rank?

[Psybadek]

23 for the first one

General of the Armies (0-12 rank) George Washington
or
General of the Army (011 rank) Dwight D. Eisenhower

then you have Ulysses S Grant who was a General and Andrew Jackson who was a Major General

Also on a side note James Buchanan was the only president who ever enlisted and never was a officer, he also held the lowest rank of Private

[Ivan_The_Mute]

Psybadek, outstanding (and thanks, I was unaware of the particulars of President Buchanan's service!)

New one and this is a tough one. And this one is in three parts.

During the First Gulf War, pilots of the Coalition scored 43 air to air victories against Iraqi aircraft. However, only two of those were gun victories.

1: Name the aircraft that the two Coalition pilots were flying when they used guns to kill the enemy aircraft.

2: Name the type of platform that they killed.

3: Name the pilots.

Now, like I said, this one is hard as hell, so I'll give some hints. 1: The tail markings on the aircraft were MB (I'm not telling you the parent unit, that'd make it too easy.) 2: Their Wing commander at the time was MG (then Col) Ervin "Sandy" Sharpe. 3: Part 2 is asking for if the destroyed aircraft are fixed wing, rotary wing, or drone aircraft. 4: Both pilots were captains.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

F-15C from the 36th Tactical Fighter Wing

IL-76 Transport Plane

Captains Gregory P. Masters

and for some odd reason, I can't find anything about the other gun kill, except for the fact that it was mentioned... so my answer is still in progress.

[Ivan_The_Mute]

F-15C from the 36th Tactical Fighter Wing

IL-76 Transport Plane

Captains Gregory P. Masters

and for some odd reason, I can't find anything about the other gun kill, except for the fact that it was mentioned... so my answer is still in progress.

Cadet, you know, you've got to stop showing me up. Outstanding find and upon research (and finding the documentation I had based the question on is missing information) I must amend the question. There were three confirmed gun kills, the first of which was Capt Masters (as noted.) Again, well done, but who were the other two?

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

This is what I found:

6 Feb 91 SAVAGE 01 706 TFS/926 TFG Swain A-10A 77-275 Bo-105 GAU-8

15 Feb 91 SPRINGFIELD 27 511 TFS/10 TFW Sheehy A-10A 81-964 Mi-8 GAU-8

Basically... Swain in an A-10A shot down a helicopter with his gun, and Sheehy shot down another helicopter.

As a side note, Masters kill is recorded as being with a Sparrow, as Gun Kills were banned [?] by the High Brass.

[TruBlu]

I'm telling you man, Buffalo is beast at trivia! I come in and see a question posted but right after he's already got the answer lol!!! Eh no sweat, good job my man. This means I have to pay closer attention to this thread now and knock you down...

[Ivan_The_Mute]

This is what I found:

6 Feb 91 SAVAGE 01 706 TFS/926 TFG Swain A-10A 77-275 Bo-105 GAU-8

15 Feb 91 SPRINGFIELD 27 511 TFS/10 TFW Sheehy A-10A 81-964 Mi-8 GAU-8

Basically... Swain in an A-10A shot down a helicopter with his gun, and Sheehy shot down another helicopter.

As a side note, Masters kill is recorded as being with a Sparrow, as Gun Kills were banned [?] by the High Brass.

And you finished it off, outstanding! To respond to your side note, according to the ACIG and the unit historian for the 36th TFW, Captain Masters engaged on 2Feb91 an IL-76 with one AIM-7 Sparrow missile, but fired it "blind" (that is, without a radar lock. Fat chance of that 'killing' a bird.) Masters then engaged the target at low altitude, killing it with his 20mm cannon. CENTAF and TAC awarded the kill as a AIM-7 kill to match with prescribed CENTAF regulations regarding low altitude tactics (there was no prohibition on using guns, merely "guidance" from Gen Horner not to take unnecessary chances with regards to aircraft and personnel. To quote him "There is almost no target worth committing suicide over.")

On a lighter note, according to Gen Horner's memoirs, Col Sharpe, CC of the 354th TFW(P), which included elements of the 10th, 926th, and the whole of the 354th TFW, called Col John "Boomer" McBroom (CO of the 33rd TFW(P)) to offer his A-10's to provide medium altitude air cover in case the F-15C's wanted to do some "air to ground" work for a change.

Ok, FINAL one I'm going to throw out for a while.

On 3Mar91, US and Coalition forces captured Talil AB in Iraq. Later, on the same day, a CENTAF officer was awarded a ground kill (the only kill awarded to a CENTAF HQ pilot during the First Gulf.)

Three parts:

1: Who was the officer who was awarded the kill?
2: What type of aircraft was killed?
3: What weapon did the officer use to kill his target?

[Psybadek]

Even with all those good search tags I can't seem to get the right information I need out of it. You have me stumped on this one... for now :)

[AFCadetSteel]

I am completley stumped.

I can't find any information about this. Wasn't the war over on March 3rd???

[Psybadek]

I dont believe it was, but this is a good one, hard to find information on it. Of course at that time I was like 6 years old lol

[Ivan_The_Mute]

I am completley stumped.

I can't find any information about this. Wasn't the war over on March 3rd???

The war was. The ceasefire for the ground offensive went into effect at 0800 local on 28Feb91. However, ground and air to air kills were still tallied through 21Mar91 because of "no-fly" conditions imposed by the Coalition.

I'll give y'all another few hours before I throw out the answer.

[TruBlu]

I'm stumped... Scoured the web to no avail. Very interested in hearing this one.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

Yeah. I've searched all over, and can't find a thing. It's annoying. lol.

20 Mar 91 AMOCO 34 22 TFS/36 TFW Doneski F-15C 84-014 Su-22 AIM-9
22 Mar 91 ZEREX 21 53 TFS/36 TFW Dietz F-15C 84-010 Su-22 AIM-9
22 Mar 91 ZEREX 22 53 TFS/36 TFW Hehemann F-15C 84-015 PC-9 GROUND

Alright, those are the three guys that I think could be the pilot in question. However, they aren't on the day stated...

[Ivan_The_Mute]

Good try to all. Like I said, this was a tough one. It was also part "trick" question, because the pilot in question (who was, regardless, given a "kill" for his record) wasn't actually flying anything (and as such does not show on the ATO tally sheets that Buffalo has been citing.)

1: The officer was Col. John Turk, command rated pilot and F-15 instructor, then assigned to 9th AF and CENTAF. Col Turk spent the war in the "Black Hole," serving as a planning officer for Maj Gen Tom Olsen, Lt Gen Horner's chief of staff.

2: The aircraft was a MiG-21.

3: The weapon used was the M-9 sidearm, and the Zippo Mk1 self contained fire enabling device (aka, cigarette lighter.)

I've only seen this sourced in two locations, and I only have one available (Gen Horner's memoir of the war, "Every Man a Tiger," coauthored by Tom Clancy.) To quote the memoir:

The first and last kill scored by the CENTAF staff was racked up by Colonel John Turk from the Black Hole. A long time fighter pilot, John ahd been one of our top F-15 instructor pilots at Luke and Tyndall. But to his great disappointment, he'd sat our this war in the Black Hole, hard work and no glory. After the shooting had stopped, Turk hitched a ride up to Tallil AB in southern Iraq. As he was touring the airfield, Turk found a MiG fighter parked on a road. The US Army troops had destroyed the cockpit, the jet was otherwise fully armed and fueled. Like every fighter pilot, Turk was always looking for a kill. Making sure no one was around, he fired a shot from his pistol into the MiG's drop tank, hoping for a fire. Fuel streamed out but failed to ignite. Undaunted, Turk took out his cigarette lighter and applied a flame to the fuel. A second later, it occurred to him that he was standing next to a fully fueled, munition laden je that was moments from erepting into a huge fireball. I don't know the world's record for the 440-yard dash in combat boots, but I'm sure John Turk set that day at Tallil.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

...

Wow! That's one heck of a story!

[Billyd]

Pucker Factor would definitely be off the scale :D

[TruBlu]

LOL, that's fantastic! Talk about a story for the O-Club.

And it still counts as a kill because he blew up a downed plane with no pilot? That's awesome...

[Psybadek]

Wow that is amazing! I'm ready for the next question! :)

[Billyd]

Since 1975, a KC-135 served as the official aircraft for the Air Force Chief of Staff. In June of 2008, it was destined for the 309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group, AKA the "Boneyard" in Arizona. This particular aircraft has recieved a reprieve and will continue to serve in a training capacity. Here is the question:

By what name was this aircraft known?

Remember, there is a 2-hour wait before answers can be accepted.

[Psybadek]

OK, i think you have something mixed up, a KC-135 is a refueling tanker aircraft. The chief of staff wouldn't use that plane, he used a C-135 which is a transport aircraft. Now these planes are made by Boeing, which I'm sure isn't the name you want. And stratolifter is it's model, which I'm sure isn't the answer you want. So I believe the name you want is "Speckled Trout". The plane was retired in January of 2006. The new plane being used it a KC-135R Stratotanker that has been modified using the same nickname

[Billyd]

Cadet, I am not confused. A bit of research would have revealed that http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123136454 indicates that the aircraft in question is in fact a KC-135. I verify each and every question I post. In fact, the aircraft in question was recently moved from Kelly Field Annex to the Lackland Training Annex to be used for training various airmen, including boom operators. Kind of difficult to train boom operators if there is no boom.

Apology accepted.

Back in a bit with a new question.

[Billyd]

http://www.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/web/081216-F-0304D-103.jpg

The photo above was taken in 1929 and is the crew that flew a Fokker C-2A that was refueled in flight by two modified Douglas C-1 transports. Name the mission.


Just as an interesting aside, the officer 2nd from the left is Capt Ira Eaker and 4th from the left is Maj Carl Spaatz who was the mission commander.

Don't forget the 2 hour rule is in effect.

[Psybadek]

Cadet, I am not confused. A bit of research would have revealed that http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123136454 indicates that the aircraft in question is in fact a KC-135. I verify each and every question I post. In fact, the aircraft in question was recently moved from Kelly Field Annex to the Lackland Training Annex to be used for training various airmen, including boom operators. Kind of difficult to train boom operators if there is no boom.

Apology accepted.

Back in a bit with a new question.

Sorry about that, all the research I found said it was a C-135.

[Infinite]

http://www.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/web/081216-F-0304D-103.jpg

The photo above was taken in 1929 and is the crew that flew a Fokker C-2A that was refueled in flight by two modified Douglas C-1 transports. Name the mission.


Just as an interesting aside, the officer 2nd from the left is Capt Ira Eaker and 4th from the left is Maj Carl Spaatz who was the mission commander.

Don't forget the 2 hour rule is in effect.

Was it the Question Mark? I'm unsure if that was the name of the mission or of the plane, and in the interest of fairness, I won't be looking it up.

[Psybadek]

Yep, good job! :)

That 2 hour rule sucks though lol I waited and waited and there was like 20 minutes left and I fell asleep. Oh well, maybe next time.

[Billyd]

Was it the Question Mark? I'm unsure if that was the name of the mission or of the plane, and in the interest of fairness, I won't be looking it up.

It was the name of the aircraft and the mission.

Alrighty then, here is your next mind-buster:

On Jan. 31, 1958, the first U.S. satellite to go into orbit was launched by a Jupiter-C rocket from Cape Canaveral, Fla., in response to the launch of the Soviet satellite Sputnik 1. It was the first spacecraft to detect the Van Allen radiation belt.

What was this satellite called?

[Billyd]

Wow, almost 24 hours and no response yet? Does that mean that you can't find the answer (unlikely), or you haven't seen the question.

[TruBlu]

Sorry for the late response, been very busy as of late.

It was Satellite 1958 Alpha, aka Explorer I. My source: http://history.nasa.gov/sputnik/expinfo.html

[Billyd]

All right! We have a winner. Here is the next go ...

http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/picture.php?albumid=55&pictureid=324

Why in the world would I select the above photo for the trivia thread? There can only be one reason. See if you can figure it out. Here is what I am looking for:

Her name:
Why she is special:

BTW, in this picture, she is wearing the 2 stars of a Major General.

[HairyEyeball]

That brings back memories: Explorer I was launched by the Army after the Navy's Vanguard series failed miserably (and not even spectacularly) - twice - on national television. I now return this thread to the cadets.

[TruBlu]

Sergeant the photo is MIA. Repost?

[Billyd]

How about now?

[TruBlu]

EDIT - Does the two hour rule apply to the picture posted or the original post time?

[Billyd]

Original post time. There is enough info in the post to answer the question.

[TruBlu]

What super fun search time revealed:
The woman in the picture is Jeanne M. Holm who was the first Brigadier General in the USAF (1971). She was promoted to Major General only two years later. AFOATS' Holm Center is also named after her.

Sources:
http://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp?bioID=5838
http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=13032

[Billyd]

Good job. Let's try this photo on for size:

http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/picture.php?albumid=55&pictureid=323

Once again, your humble trivia master is going with the visuals. Every Air Force cadet should know who this gentleman is. Here is the required information sought: Name, Why I would select him. However, for the real challenge, find some random little known fact, with a link to a proper reference, about him.

If this one proves too hard, you may turn in your stripes, pips and other doodads at the door :devil:

[TruBlu]

Carl A. Spaatz is our mystery General. Why pick such a man? He became the first Chief of Staff under the newly created and independent Air Force.

Fact unknown to myself and possibly many others:
In 1974, following his death, he was interred at the US Air Force Academy.

Sources:
http://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp?bioID=7210
http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/cc/spaatz.html

[Billyd]

Yes indeed, that is General Carl Spaatz the first Air Force Chief of Staff. I am going to go ahead and post another, but would invite all that desire to, to contiue to post some interesting little known facts about the general.

With that task completed, here is the next photo.
http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/picture.php?albumid=55&pictureid=327

This one is a bit harder, but you should be able to figure out why I would select him. Once again, I do need his name as well as why he shoule grace these pages.

BTW, TruBlu, you may keep your stripes, pips and doodads.

[TruBlu]

This man is W. Stuart Symington, the first secretary of the Air Force.

Source:
http://www.af.mil/history/person.asp?dec=&pid=123006496

[Billyd]

I was beginning to worry about this one. Yes indeed, it is the Honorable W. Stuart Symington, first Secratary of the Air Force. Here is the next individual to ID.

http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/picture.php?albumid=55&pictureid=325

His name and this time one of his accomplishments as relates to airpower.

[CAPSmith]

I'm not posting an answer. This is a tough picture to work with, but I think I've got it. If the plane is a SPAD S.XIII I know who it is...but I'm not telling. :p

[Billyd]

If you think you know, PM me.

[Psybadek]

That looks a lot like Howard Hughes which makes me wonder since his only involvement with the military was building airplanes for them during the war. Though his biggest accomplishment was the Spruce Goose. It looks like him, but I could be wrong.

[Billyd]

Could be and are. That is not Howard Hughes.

[TruBlu]

Mystery pilot is Brigadier General William "Billy" Mitchell, famous for being the first American airman to ever fly over enemy lines. He also commanded all American combat units in France in 1917.

Source: http://www.af.mil/history/person.asp?dec=&pid=123006464

[Billyd]

And we have a winner! Yes indeed, that is a young William "Billy" Mitchell. As you all know, Col Mitchell (his permanent rank at retirement), was an advocate of airpower and demonstrated that power by sinking captured German battleships from WWI.

Next up is this gentleman.
http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/picture.php?albumid=55&pictureid=329

What can you tell me about him?

[TruBlu]

I waited roughly 12 hours to see if anyone else would jump in on this scavenger hunt, but I guess I'll call it out now.

That would be MOH recipient James (Jimmy) Doolittle. Interesting fact: Jimmy Doolittle, after leading "Special Mission No. 1," was promoted from Lieutenant Colonel to Brigadier General, skipping the rank of Colonel. He was also the first President of the AFA.

Source: http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123048929

[Billyd]

Yes indeed, TruBlu, that is General Doolittle. I thought this one was going to require a hint or three to get, glad to see that wasn't required. Here is one that will be a bit easier for all.

It is said that you can read a serviceman by the ribbons on his chest. Here is the ribbons worn by your humble Trivia Master at the time of retirement. What can you tell me about me?

http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/picture.php?albumid=55&pictureid=307

Here is what I am looking for:
Years of service (Approx):
Number of overseas tours(Short and long):
Where at least one of those tours was:
Number or Professional Military Education courses:
Was I ever in Southwest Asia?
Anything else you consider important.


And thank you for giving others a chance to respond.

[TruBlu]

Oh, this will be fun lol! But research will have to wait until at least the morning, maybe someone else will grace these pages in the mean time.

[Psybadek]

OK

Here is what I am looking for:
Years of service (Approx): 20 (According to your longevity ribbon, so it could be 20-23 years)
Number of overseas tours(Short and long): 3 short 1 long
Where at least one of those tours was: Korea
Number or Professional Military Education courses: 2
Was I ever in Southwest Asia? No, at least from what I could see, Korea is East Asia

You were possibly in The Defense Agencies, Headquarters of Unified Commands, Office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or the Office of the Secretary of Defense.

[Billyd]

OK

Here is what I am looking for:
Years of service (Approx): 20 (According to your longevity ribbon, so it could be 20-23 years)
Number of overseas tours(Short and long): 3 short 1 long
Where at least one of those tours was: Korea
Number or Professional Military Education courses: 2
Was I ever in Southwest Asia? No, at least from what I could see, Korea is East Asia

You were possibly in The Defense Agencies, Headquarters of Unified Commands, Office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or the Office of the Secretary of Defense.


You have 4 out of 5. Need to go back and check again. And how did you come up with that last bit?

[TruBlu]

As promised I would return in the morning. Here's what I've got:

TIS of approximately 20 years, but I think I've narrowed it down to 22.
Three short tours and one long tour, with at least one being in the Persian Gulf.
Two military professional development courses.
Cross referencing your Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal with your Joint Service Achievement Medal, I'd say you served in Southwest Asia in support of allied forces.

You are also qualified as an expert marksman. What weapon Sergeant?

[Billyd]

As promised I would return in the morning. Here's what I've got:

TIS of approximately 20 years, but I think I've narrowed it down to 22.
Three short tours and one long tour, with at least one being in the Persian Gulf.
Two military professional development courses.
Cross referencing your Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal with your Joint Service Achievement Medal, I'd say you served in Southwest Asia in support of allied forces.

You are also qualified as an expert marksman. What weapon Sergeant?


Not too bad, but not 100%. You have 3 out of 5.

This is a bit tougher than it looks isn't it?

As to the weapon I qualified expert on, the M-16 rifle. I missed expert on the .38 special and the 9mm by one round. At one time I was also qualified on the M-60, M-203/M-79. While I never had to "hump them in the bush," I can appreciate the efforts of those that did.

[TruBlu]

Dang, alright I'll try again a bit later after some more research.

[Billyd]

Dang, alright I'll try again a bit later after some more research.

I'm looking forward to it.

There is still time for the rest to join in.

[Psybadek]

Looking at your ribbons again, you length of service was probably around 30 years/

As far as that last bit, I got it from the description of your highest earned ribbon

"To be eligible for this award, the individual must be a member of the Armed Forces of the United States below the grade of 0-6, and assigned to a qualifying organization such as The Defense Agencies, Headquarters of Unified Commands, Office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Office of the Secretary of Defense. The required service or achievement, while of a lesser degree than that required for award of the Joint Service Commendation Medal, must have been accomplished within distinction."

[Billyd]

Looking at your ribbons again, you length of service was probably around 30 years/

I did just over 20 years, so that part was correct.

As far as that last bit, I got it from the description of your highest earned ribbon

"To be eligible for this award, the individual must be a member of the Armed Forces of the United States below the grade of 0-6, and assigned to a qualifying organization such as The Defense Agencies, Headquarters of Unified Commands, Office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Office of the Secretary of Defense. The required service or achievement, while of a lesser degree than that required for award of the Joint Service Commendation Medal, must have been accomplished within distinction."

Only if you consider the Air Force one of the the Defense Agencies. Actually for that award, I was assigned to a unit with a joint mission. We had members of all four services assigned. And while I can't get specific, I was part of a team that enhanced the ability of operations to complete their mission.

Care to take another stab?

[Psybadek]

Sure, if you were at 20 years then you must have been in Southwest Asia.

As far as how you earned that ribbon that's really cool! I've always been fascinated with listening to veteran's services to our country. There's nothing better to listen to in this world.

[Billyd]

Sure, if you were at 20 years then you must have been in Southwest Asia.

What does being in for 20 years have to do with me being in SWA? One is unrelated to the other. Are you possibly thinking that I am a Vietnam Veteran? If so, you better get your compass out and re-check as to where Vietnam is. Last time I checked, it is in SouthEast Asia.

BTW, I am NOT a Vietnam Veteran. I didn't enter the Air Force until March 1985.

[Psybadek]

What does being in for 20 years have to do with me being in SWA? One is unrelated to the other. Are you possibly thinking that I am a Vietnam Veteran? If so, you better get your compass out and re-check as to where Vietnam is. Last time I checked, it is in SouthEast Asia.

BTW, I am NOT a Vietnam Veteran. I didn't enter the Air Force until March 1985.

Sorry I didn't puncuate that properly, I meant that if you were in for 20 years, then the other answer that should be changed is that you were in Southwest Asia.

[JohnP]

It is said that you can read a serviceman by the ribbons on his chest. Here is the ribbons worn by your humble Trivia Master at the time of retirement. What can you tell me about me?

Here is what I am looking for:
Years of service (Approx):
Number of overseas tours(Short and long):
Where at least one of those tours was:
Number or Professional Military Education courses:
Was I ever in Southwest Asia?
Anything else you consider important.


And thank you for giving others a chance to respond.

I've given the kids a shot at this, try this:

Joint Service Achievement Medal
Air Force Achievement Medal
Air Force Outstanding Unit Award – 6 Awards
Air Force Good Conduct Award – 5 Awards (Given every 3 years = 15 Years)
National Defense Medal – 2 Awards
Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal
Global War on Terrorism Medal
Korean Defense Service Medal
Humanitarian Service Medal
Air Force Overseas Short Tour – 3 Awards
Air Force Overseas Long Tour
Air Force Longevity Award – 5 award (Given every 4 years = 20 years)
Air Force PME Training – 2 Awards (Leadership School and Leadership Academy)
Air Force Marksmanship Award - (Either rifle or pistol, but not both.)
Basic Military Training Ribbon

This is my conjecture:

You have been in the Active Air Force for over 20 years and had at least 1 brush with discipline (usually a good sign of a leader).

Of this time you were deployed over seas for at least 5 years but possibly longer. At least one of the tours was to Korea.

You’ve been assigned to some darn good units and you’ve been recognized for you achievements along with theirs to include getting out during disasters and helping the community.

I’m interested in hearing about the expeditionary medal.

You’ve attended the proper schools and are waiting for a slot for E-7 so you can go to the next level.

The safest place to be when you’re shooting a weapon is in front of you.

[Billyd]

Sorry I didn't puncuate that properly, I meant that if you were in for 20 years, then the other answer that should be changed is that you were in Southwest Asia.


Looks like we have a winner. Good job. Back to the photos. This one may be a bit tougher, but let's give it a try.

http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/picture.php?albumid=55&pictureid=331

First, of course, who is he, and why would I select this particular NCO?

[Billyd]

This is my conjecture:

You have been in the Active Air Force for over 20 years and had at least 1 brush with discipline (usually a good sign of a leader).

Of this time you were deployed over seas for at least 5 years but possibly longer. At least one of the tours was to Korea.

You’ve been assigned to some darn good units and you’ve been recognized for you achievements along with theirs to include getting out during disasters and helping the community.

I’m interested in hearing about the expeditionary medal.

You’ve attended the proper schools and are waiting for a slot for E-7 so you can go to the next level.

The safest place to be when you’re shooting a weapon is in front of you.

Pretty decent analysis of my career.

To recap, I spent two tours in Korea, the third was to a classified location. The long tour was to Japan. In all, I have 7 years 168 days of overseas time.

The schools I attended were NCO Prepatory Course and of course the NCO Academy (replaced NCO Leadership School).

I tested for MSgt once and missed by 26 points (didn't study, was planning on retirement).

As for my Armed Forces Expeditiary Medal, I deployed to OSW in 1996 and as a reward received that plus FamSep for those 100 days.

As to my abilities with a weapon, if you look at my response to TruBlu where he asked specifically what weapon, you will see that at one time, I could put a hurt on you if you happened to be downrange :D

Now, that is how you read a man's "Chest Candy."

[Psybadek]

Two hour rule violation. Please read the Trivia Time ROE Thread

http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/showthread.php?t=751

[JohnP]

Pretty decent analysis of my career.

To recap, I spent two tours in Korea, the third was to a classified location. The long tour was to Japan. In all, I have 7 years 168 days of overseas time.

The schools I attended were NCO Prepatory Course and of course the NCO Academy (replaced NCO Leadership School).

I tested for MSgt once and missed by 26 points (didn't study, was planning on retirement).

As for my Armed Forces Expeditiary Medal, I deployed to OSW in 1996 and as a reward received that plus FamSep for those 100 days.

As to my abilities with a weapon, if you look at my response to TruBlu where he asked specifically what weapon, you will see that at one time, I could put a hurt on you if you happened to be downrange :D

Now, that is how you read a man's "Chest Candy."

In your field you probably didn't get to the range as often as you would have liked. When I was in Germany it was once a quarter, in Okinawa, it was every week when not deployed. And you have a point, when down range, it is sometimes better to put a hurt on someone rather than a kill.:D General Patton was once quoted when asked about a bullet with his name on it, "I am not afraid of getting killed in battle, when a bullet has you name on it, there is nothing you can do about it. It's all that stuff marked, "to whom it may concern" that scares the H**l out of me."

I'd post my salad rack, but that would confuse these young cadets too much.

[Billyd]

In your field you probably didn't get to the range as often as you would have liked. When I was in Germany it was once a quarter, in Okinawa, it was every week when not deployed. And you have a point, when down range, it is sometimes better to put a hurt on someone rather than a kill.:D General Patton was once quoted when asked about a bullet with his name on it, "I am not afraid of getting killed in battle, when a bullet has you name on it, there is nothing you can do about it. It's all that stuff marked, "to whom it may concern" that scares the H**l out of me."

I'd post my salad rack, but that would confuse these young cadets too much.

True, I was only required to qualify every year until I ended up at FEW. Then it went to every 2. Right before I retired, they changed us to every 30 months, unless deploying.

[devin0116]

I'd post my salad rack, but that would confuse these young cadets too much.

Saying that I can't do something or saying something similair is the best way to make me want to prove you wrong. So, is this a challenge?

[Billyd]

Saying that I can't do something or saying something similair is the best way to make me want to prove you wrong. So, is this a challenge?

JohnP, I think this cadet just called you out. Post away and let's see how they do.

[Psybadek]

Sorry for the rule violation, I seem to keep missing the rules.

You all ready know I know the answer, so I'll let someone else try for it. It's actually pretty easy

[grunt0311]

Since we are on Ribbon Rack questions:

Name who this rack belongs to.

1 hint: He was a US Marine

[PhilK]

Since we are on Ribbon Rack questions:

Name who this rack belongs to.

1 hint: He was a US Marine


You might want to change the graphic name...it has the answer in it.

[grunt0311]

Thanks, I had changed it in iPhoto, but I guess it doesn't change the actual file name.

Good catch

[Billyd]

Ok, looks we have two questions on board. The first being in this post here (http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/showpost.php?p=12314&postcount=475) and the second one here (http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/showpost.php?p=12325&postcount=483).

Let's get them answered before we post any more.

[03_SHOOTER]

looks like we have a winner. Good job. Back to the photos. This one may be a bit tougher, but let's give it a try.

http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/picture.php?albumid=55&pictureid=331

first, of course, who is he, and why would i select this particular nco?

(hand waving frantically in the back of the classroom)

OOH, OOH, OOH, I KNOW!!! Call on ME!!!

[Psybadek]

Since we are on Ribbon Rack questions:

Name who this rack belongs to.

1 hint: He was a US Marine

Lieutenant General Lewis Burwell "Chesty" Puller

[JohnP]

JohnP, I think this cadet just called you out. Post away and let's see how they do.

I'm up for a challenge.

http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/picture.php?albumid=59&pictureid=342

http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/picture.php?albumid=59&pictureid=343



http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/picture.php?albumid=59&pictureid=341

Okay, the grunt.com doesn't allow for attachments. The following is the information for the attachments:

1. I have 24 total years of military service.
2. I was on all Gulf War Operations in 1990 and 1991.
2. I completed 3 long tours overseas and 1 short tour.
3. In addition to the individual awards I've earned:

2 AF Commedation Medals
2 AF Achievement Medals
10 AF Outstanding Unit Awards
2 Combat Readiness Medals
4 Good Conduct Medals
5 Humanitarian Service Medals
and I've shot Expert in both Pistol and Rifle.

What attachments should be on each medal?

What branch of service was I in?

I retired in 1999, what era veteran am I classified as?

That should keep you occupied.

[TruBlu]

Well I got beat out on the chest candy trivia, but I've got the next ID on your photo.

CMSAF Paul W. Airey. He was the first CMSAF and to sweeten it, he didn't even complete high school.

Source: http://www.af.mil/history/person.asp?dec=&pid=123006506

[Billyd]

Good job. Now, let's see what you can come up with on JohnP's ribbons. Though devin0116 called him out, I think we have a couple that can beat him to the punch.

I will return later with another question. Be prepared it will be a tough one.

[Psybadek]

Well I got beat out on the chest candy trivia, but I've got the next ID on your photo.

CMSAF Paul W. Airey. He was the first CMSAF and to sweeten it, he didn't even complete high school.

Source: http://www.af.mil/history/person.asp?dec=&pid=123006506
I woulda beat you on the CMSAF, but I wanted someone else to have it since I broke the 2 hour rule on it.

[devin0116]

I'm up for a challenge.

http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/picture.php?albumid=59&pictureid=342

http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/picture.php?albumid=59&pictureid=343



http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/picture.php?albumid=59&pictureid=341

Okay, the grunt.com doesn't allow for attachments. The following is the information for the attachments:

1. I have 24 total years of military service.
2. I was on all Gulf War Operations in 1990 and 1991.
2. I completed 3 long tours overseas and 1 short tour.
3. In addition to the individual awards I've earned:

2 AF Commedation Medals
2 AF Achievement Medals
10 AF Outstanding Unit Awards
2 Combat Readiness Medals
4 Good Conduct Medals
5 Humanitarian Service Medals
and I've shot Expert in both Pistol and Rifle.

What attachments should be on each medal?

What branch of service was I in?

I retired in 1999, what era veteran am I classified as?

That should keep you occupied.

Am I trying to rebuild your entire ribbon rack, or answer the questions.

[grunt0311]

Lieutenant General Lewis Burwell "Chesty" Puller

That is right.

Good night Chesty Puller, where ever you are.

[JohnP]

Am I trying to rebuild your entire ribbon rack, or answer the questions.


To solve this puzzle, answer the questions. How many and what kind of devices should go on each of the ribbons with the information you're given. *NB – The medals are in the correct order, you just have to figure out, clusters, stars, or numbers.

I won an NCO of the year board because I was able to identify ribbons that were out of order and with the improper devices on a Command Sergeant Major's uniform. (I expect it was done on purpose to denote attention to detail and the ability to tactfully tell a senior ranking NCO about the discrepancies.)

Good hunting.

[devin0116]

Here it goes.

1.Longevity-1 Silver and 1 Bronze Oak Leaf Cluster
Long Tour- Triple Bronze Oak Leaf Cluster
Short Tour- None
AF Commendation Medal-1 Bronze Oak Leaf Cluster
AF Achievement Medal- 1 Bronze Oak Leaf Cluster
AF Outstanding Unit Award- 2 Silver Oak Leaf Clusters
Combat Readiness Medal-1 Bronze Oak Leaf Cluster
Good Conduct Medal-4 Bronze Oak Leaf Clusters
Humanitarian Service Medal-1 Silver Star
Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon- 1 Bronze Star
I am also going to assume that you have:
Kuwait Liberation Medal (Saudi Arabia)
Kuwait Liberation Medal (Emirate of Kuwait)

2.United States Air Force, unless you play some mean trick on me.

3.Going out on a limb and say Cold War.

[Billyd]

Just a quick look at devin0116's response to JohnP's post, I already see a couple of errors. Let's see who can spot them.

[armysc_25b]

I'll play nice and tip you...

I have 5 Army Achievement Medals. Based on what attachments are on my AAM ribbon (if you can't see, there's 4 OLC's), you should be able to properly re-calculate your attachment numbers.

[devin0116]

I'll play nice and tip you...

I have 5 Army Achievement Medals. Based on what attachments are on my AAM ribbon (if you can't see, there's 4 OLC's), you should be able to properly re-calculate your attachment numbers.

What? I'm sorry but you confused me even more. OLC's???

[Billyd]

What? I'm sorry but you confused me even more. OLC's???

OLC = Oak Leaf Cluster. Does that help?