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Buffa1oso1di3r
10-22-2008, 08:34 PM
US Tried to Shoot Down UFO, File Shows
October 20, 2008
Associated Press

LONDON - An American fighter pilot flying from an English air base at the height of the Cold War was ordered to open fire on a massive UFO that lit up his radar, according to an account published by Britain's National Archives on Monday.

The fighter pilot said he was ordered to fire a full salvo of rockets at the UFO moving erratically over the North Sea - but that at the last minute the object picked up enormous speed and disappeared. The account, first published in Britain's Daily Star newspaper more than 17 years ago and to this day unverified by military authorities, was one of many carried in the 1,500 pages the archives made available online.

The unnamed pilot said he and another airman were scrambled on the night of May 20, 1957 to intercept an unusual "bogey" on radars at a Royal Air Force Station Manston, an airfield at the southeastern tip of England about 75 miles (120 kilometers) from central London.

"This was a flying object with very unusual flight patterns," the pilot said, according to a typed manuscript of his account mailed to Britain's Ministry of Defense by a UFO enthusiast in 1988. "In the initial briefing it was suggested to us that the bogey actually was motionless for long intervals."

Ordered to fly at full throttle in cloudy weather, the pilot said he was given the order to fire a volley of 24 rockets at the mysterious object.

"To be quite candid I almost (expletive) my pants!" the pilot said, saying he asked for confirmation - which he received.

Retired U.S. airman Milton Torres told Britain's Sky News on Monday that he was the pilot and has spent 50 frustrating years attempting to uncover the truth of his mid-air encounter.

Speaking from his home in Miami, Florida, Torres said he never saw the UFO with his naked eye, but watched in awe as it appeared on his jet's radar and sped off before he had chance to fire.

"All of a sudden as it was coming in, it decided to take off and leave me behind ... The next thing I know it was gone," Torres told Sky News. "It was some kind of space alien craft. It was so fast, it was so incredible ... it was absolutely death defying."

In the newly published government file, the U.S. airman said the UFO appeared impossible to miss.

"The blip was burning a hole in the radar with its incredible intensity," the pilot said. "It was similar to a blip I had received from B-52's and seemed to be a magnet of light. ... I had a lock on that had the proportions of a flying aircraft carrier."

As he closed in on the object to prepare for combat, however, the object began to move wildly before fading off his radar. The target gone, the mission was called off, and he returned to base to an odd reception.

"I had not the foggiest idea what had actually occurred, nor would anyone explain anything to me," the pilot said. He said he was led to a man in civilian clothes, who "advised me that this would be considered highly classified and that I should not discuss it with anybody not even my commander."

"He disappeared without so much as a goodbye and that was that, as far as I was concerned," the pilot said, according to the account.

Britain's military said it had no record of the incident, according to the files. Neither did the U.S. military. The second pilot's account, also included in the files, paints a somewhat different picture of events, saying there were not one but several "unknowns" and that he did not remember being contacted by anyone about staying quiet. He did not mention the targets' size.

"I know this is not a very exciting narrative but it is all I can recall," the second pilot said.

His name, like his colleague's, was redacted from the files.

David Clarke, a UFO expert who has worked with the National Archives on the document release, said it was one of the most intriguing stories he had culled from the batch of files released Monday.

He said that the CIA once had a program intended to create phantom signals on radar - and that this may have been an exercise in electronic warfare. Whatever the case, Clarke argued that "there's no doubt something very unusual happened."

Clarke said the batch of files released Monday - which include witness accounts, investigations, and sketches - was part of a three to four year program intended to make a total of 160 UFO-related files available to the public.



What do you think about this?

TruBlu
10-22-2008, 09:57 PM
My first thought is this: What in the hell is a UFO expert?!?! I mean really, a UFO EXPERT?

Other than that, its all a load of crap, the whole UFO shindig is. I'll be very blunt on my position here: I don't believe that we are visited or being watched by extraterrestrial beings, and I sure as hell don't think that these "UFOs" are anything more than random anomalies. Think about this: why are all or most of the "UFOs" "discovered" in obscure places like the middle of the desert or above the ocean. If we were being observed, why would "they" do it there? Think about it!

I am not saying there is not a possibility of life other than us existing within our universe (that's what it is until we find proof otherwise, OURS). But, there has been no solid or tangible evidence to prove any form of the existence of life outside of our own.

When we look at this single indecent, it doesn't make much sense. For one, the two pilots involved at the exact same time for the exact same event, have conflicting stories about the events that "occurred" during and afterwords. And I still want to know what a UFO expert is...

El Supremo
10-22-2008, 10:24 PM
My first thought is this: What in the hell is a UFO expert?!?! I mean really, a UFO EXPERT?

Other than that, its all a load of crap, the whole UFO shindig is. I'll be very blunt on my position here: I don't believe that we are visited or being watched by extraterrestrial beings, and I sure as hell don't think that these "UFOs" are anything more than random anomalies. Think about this: why are all or most of the "UFOs" "discovered" in obscure places like the middle of the desert or above the ocean. If we were being observed, why would "they" do it there? Think about it!

I am not saying there is not a possibility of life other than us existing within our universe (that's what it is until we find proof otherwise, OURS). But, there has been no solid or tangible evidence to prove any form of the existence of life outside of our own.

When we look at this single indecent, it doesn't make much sense. For one, the two pilots involved at the exact same time for the exact same event, have conflicting stories about the events that "occurred" during and afterwords. And I still want to know what a UFO expert is...

I concur, what is a UFO expert? I've never heard of an occupation like that before.

But my take on UFO's has always been this: "If there is intelligent life out there in the universe, and they have/are, observing/ed, us. Then chances are, they'd want nothing to do with us, or probably lose interest in us very quick".

PhoenixCadet
10-23-2008, 02:01 AM
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Aliens do not exist... Please look into this light for me please... *flash*

On a serious note - I, too, have to second the "load of crap" notion. I personally think the whole UFO thing is fake, but a great way to get a bunch of people's money (as well as wasting their time).

Buffa1oso1di3r
10-23-2008, 08:42 AM
My personal opinion:

It could or could not have happened. I wasn't there, so I can't say otherwise.

However, there have been incidents from the '50s to the '60s about US Military Craft being scrambled after "Phantoms" on RADAR, some even coming into visual range of the crafts before they "dissapear" or "speed off".

Intelligent Life could exist inside or outside of our Galaxy. Why they'd be intrested in us? I have no idea.

ang1sgt
10-23-2008, 08:49 AM
Having lived in England during the Cold War era, the only ARMED aircraft were those on "ALERT" Status. They were not then or not now flying regular missions with "ROCKETS". Please remember that ROCKETS on an Aircraft are NOT Guided especially back then. Missiles are guided, not rockets. The Pilot admits that he never SAW the target and as such how could he have shot and fired upon this UFO? This was before our Radar was advanced enough to look out, acquire and shoot accurately enough beyond the line of vision.

I say B.S.

19 years as a Certified Aircraft Weapons/Munitions Technician

Drill for life
10-23-2008, 11:34 PM
This sounds like Indiana Jones: Kingdom of the crystal Skull. Aliens do not exsist, there are bacateria and parasites in space,nothing else.

AirForceAlways
10-24-2008, 12:55 AM
There's actually neither of those in space, drill for life. The problem with space is that it's a vaccum, and not a whole lot lives in a vaccum with no oxygen or life supporting materials. Though, they've been "close" to finding evidence of life on Mars. They think they've found life-sustaining water on the surface, but no one knows for sure yet. So as of yet, no life found outside of Earth.

I'm also with ANG1SGT. Though I have no experience in any of that stuff he talks about, some of the basic story doesn't hold water with me. The basic fact that neither story really matches with each other, though that could be due to the differentiation memories of the participants, doesn't seem like it would come from two retired military personnel. I don't know, it just sets off a sense with me.

ang1sgt
10-24-2008, 07:21 AM
The other thing you must realize that "SKY News" is more Celebrity Journalism than actual fact. Very close to the Tabloids they have in England where they sell more due to the page 3 girls than actual NEWS content.

Just brings up the fact that you have to really be aware of your sources in these cases.

Buffa1oso1di3r
10-24-2008, 08:43 AM
Well, I retrieved this from Military.com, the same source that provides news links to this site.

TruBlu
10-24-2008, 09:14 AM
Well, I retrieved this from Military.com, the same source that provides news links to this site.

But who did THEY retrieve it from? News sites don't make news, they post it. And it must have been a slow news day (very slow by the looks of this), only so much can be going on at one time.

ang1sgt
10-24-2008, 09:47 AM
Well, I retrieved this from Military.com, the same source that provides news links to this site.

That is why you need to READ the whole article and decide for yourself if it is credible or not. I don't expect too many folks here to know about foreign news agencies, but it's not too soon to start to learn about them and see who is credible and who is not.

As things in England go, the BBC is pretty straight forward, but even they slant things from time to time. The Independent News Services are sort of like FOX is here state side. Another view to the Main News Service.

Getting "SOME" of your news from sources outside of the United States, gives you a more Global look at our own news. Never hurts to view criticism from someone else's viewpoint.

CAPSmith
10-24-2008, 10:07 AM
There's actually neither of those in space, drill for life. The problem with space is that it's a vaccum, and not a whole lot lives in a vaccum with no oxygen or life supporting materials. Though, they've been "close" to finding evidence of life on Mars. They think they've found life-sustaining water on the surface, but no one knows for sure yet. So as of yet, no life found outside of Earth.

There were several tests conducted during project Gemini in which bateria and other micro-organisms were exposed to "space." Samples exposed to space "as-is" were erraticated because of the ultra-violet radiation. Samples shielded from the UV radiation were still viable when returned to the lab.

More recently there have been experiments in which air samples were taken on the edge of the atmosphere and living bateria were found. There are numerous theories with supporting evidence that propose bacteria, viruses, etc could have been delivered to earth via comets, asteroids, etc.

On UFOs though, I don't think that we can dismiss the possibility of extraterrestrial life somewhere in the universe. I don't think that we can dismiss that the life might possibly be intelligent either.

Are they visiting us, probably not. I think Stephen Hawking summed it up pretty well, "if aliens were really visiting why did they only chose the weirdos and crazies to visit?"

Buffa1oso1di3r
10-24-2008, 11:13 AM
But who did THEY retrieve it from? News sites don't make news, they post it. And it must have been a slow news day (very slow by the looks of this), only so much can be going on at one time.


That can be answered by simply paying attention.

US Tried to Shoot Down UFO, File Shows
October 20, 2008
Associated Press

That is why you need to READ the whole article and decide for yourself if it is credible or not. I don't expect too many folks here to know about foreign news agencies, but it's not too soon to start to learn about them and see who is credible and who is not.

As things in England go, the BBC is pretty straight forward, but even they slant things from time to time. The Independent News Services are sort of like FOX is here state side. Another view to the Main News Service.

Getting "SOME" of your news from sources outside of the United States, gives you a more Global look at our own news. Never hurts to view criticism from someone else's viewpoint.


Well sir, that's exactly what I did. Since the AP has been pretty credible in the past, I wanted to see what everyone's opinon was about the reported incident.

As for global news services: I routinely go to BBC, and I watch BBC America. I even go on Al-Jazzera sometimes.

ang1sgt
10-24-2008, 12:01 PM
Did you read it all? Really?

Retired U.S. airman Milton Torres told Britain's Sky News on Monday that he was the pilot and has spent 50 frustrating years attempting to uncover the truth of his mid-air encounter.


The AP picks up things from the News Wire Service, has a writer ADD their own Spin on it and then puts it out as there own. So just how credible is reporting like this? It's a fluff piece that certain people gravitate too. The Cover-ups, the UFO stories all have their following. The bottom line here is, Sell the Paper, Get people to the Website, or get them to watch our news. It's all about readership.

Buffa1oso1di3r
10-24-2008, 12:29 PM
Yes, I read it all. I didn't pick up on the Sky News part though...

I'll fix that right away Sir.

TruBlu
10-24-2008, 02:04 PM
That can be answered by simply paying attention.





Well sir, that's exactly what I did. Since the AP has been pretty credible in the past, I wanted to see what everyone's opinon was about the reported incident.

As for global news services: I routinely go to BBC, and I watch BBC America. I even go on Al-Jazzera sometimes.

It was a rhetorical question directed at you (not to you) to prove a point, that it did not COME from www.military.com. And I don't think anyone is doubting credibility of news sites or corporations, but the credibility of the story itself.

Buffa1oso1di3r
10-24-2008, 03:09 PM
Top did. :p

TruBlu
10-24-2008, 08:47 PM
Top did. :p

Lol, point taken. I still hold to what I said though.

Buffa1oso1di3r
10-24-2008, 09:04 PM
I know. Military.com doesn't make the news (common sense), but retrieves the news from other sources.

Murray B
02-15-2009, 02:42 AM
I wanted to see what everyone's opinon was about the reported incident.

There is no reason to doubt that the pilot saw something on his radar screen but that does not mean it was a physical object or even that it was in the direction the antenna was pointing.

An aircraft like an EA-6B specialises in generating false radar images but I think such images could also occur from accidental sources. A late '50s radar is most likely using a parabolic antenna to recieve and concentrate the signal. A strong ground based signal coming into the side lobe could create the illusion of a giant object ahead.

Perhaps someone with experience can tell us more about radar of that era.

Ivan_The_Mute
02-16-2009, 02:35 AM
What do you think about this?

I'll put my take on this. Why does the USAF take UFO incidents seriously (and we sure as hell do?) Because they are Unidentified Flying Objects, being detected either by radar or being acquired visually, which are violating our freakin' airspace or that of our allies, and (as they are unidentified) need to be either a: identified, or b: killed THEN identified.

If you doubt the fact that the USAF takes UFOs seriously, look up Project Blue Book. You may also want to look at the fallout of the Rendlesham Forest Incident outside RAF Bentwaters. You may laugh at the thought of UFO's and aliens, but what happens if that "alien" is from PVO Voyska or the PRCAAF?

JKT
04-28-2009, 04:57 AM
There is probly stuff out there.

Stryfe
04-29-2009, 08:08 PM
Apart from the pilot actually seeing something on his radar or not - the rest of the article smells of complete BS.

First of all, the aircraft in which the American was flying would not have been loaded out with Rockets. If it was in 1957 then most basic guided missiles would have been fitted to Fighters - especially Alert Fighters in England.

Second, under no circumstances would the pilot have been authorized to fire rockets, which are primarily a ground attack weapon, in friendly British airspace without at least receiving hostile fire.