Now THIS is pure political BS!!

[03_SHOOTER]

Thanks to the NY Post for blowing the lid off of this one!

OBAMA TRIED TO STALL GIS' IRAQ WITHDRAWAL (http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_tried_to_stall_gis_iraq_withdrawal_129150.ht m)

WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.

According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.

Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."

"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.

Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.

While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.

Obama has made many contradictory statements with regard to Iraq. His latest position is that US combat troops should be out by 2010. Yet his effort to delay an agreement would make that withdrawal deadline impossible to meet.

Supposing he wins, Obama's administration wouldn't be fully operational before February - and naming a new ambassador to Baghdad and forming a new negotiation team might take longer still.

By then, Iraq will be in the throes of its own campaign season. Judging by the past two elections, forming a new coalition government may then take three months. So the Iraqi negotiating team might not be in place until next June.

Then, judging by how long the current talks have taken, restarting the process from scratch would leave the two sides needing at least six months to come up with a draft accord. That puts us at May 2010 for when the draft might be submitted to the Iraqi parliament - which might well need another six months to pass it into law.

[ang1sgt]

o3,

While I do believe this, typical Obama/Democratic tactic, how many people are going to read this and respond to it when it comes to cast their votes? I am pissed as heck that this guy can say anything like this, I don't care if he's running or not. He does NOT have the authority as a CANDIDATE to NEGOTIATE for the USofA. Per and simple. And to state that the Country under Bush is WEAK? What was it under Bill Clinton? Damn Fool!

[SAC_Cop]

This guy is an idiot and pretty full of himself. Like "ang1sgt" said "I don't care if he's running or not. He does NOT have the authority as a CANDIDATE to NEGOTIATE for the USofA." This guy is a great danger to the well being of our country.

[PaulR]

Of Course, this will never hit the main stream media...:( Nothing like keeping our servicemen and women in the harm's way longer than needed to make him the "Hero" when he is the one brings who brings them home!

[03_SHOOTER]

You know, maybe I'm the only one, but I was thinking that, if it can be proven that he did in fact attempt to do this, that charges should be filed against him.

[navytrooper]

In my opinion, Obama is all smoke and mirrors; he's good at rallying people, saying exactly what people want to hear, but in terms of warfare, I think he's a little green around the gills. McCain on the other hand, as you all know, was a Naval Officer who also happened to be a POW. Although a real turn-off is that he doesn't know how to use the computer. :nervous:
The fact that Obama is willing to do what he did is testament to the fact that he will go to great lengths to win this election.

Ah well. Just this cadet's humble 0.002 cents.

[03_SHOOTER]

In my opinion, Obama is all smoke and mirrors; he's good at rallying people, saying exactly what people want to hear, but in terms of warfare, I think he's a little green around the gills. McCain on the other hand, as you all know, was a Naval Officer who also happened to be a POW. Although a real turn-off is that he doesn't know how to use the computer. :nervous:
The fact that Obama is willing to do what he did is testament to the fact that he will go to great lengths to win this election.

Ah well. Just this cadet's humble 0.002 cents.

It's not that he doesn't know how to use one, it's that the injuries he received when he ejected from his aircraft (which immediately informed him of it's intense displeasure with his allowing it to get blown up by nearly beating him to death) preclude him from being able to use one. He can't extend his arms above his shoulders at all, nor can hold them out for long (like we all have to do when typing) without intense pain.

That whole "he can't use a computer", as if he's too 'dumb' to figure it out, is pure Liberal bovine excrement.

[03_SHOOTER]

OOPS, double tap.

[Startingover]

Obama is a superstar, that all. And I agree, he is just somehow miraculously able to raise up a hubub, but at the same time, we never hear on the news what people actually think. Only the ralleys that he originates in far offplaces without any particular rhyme or reason why.

And did anyone watch the DNC, cause that TV was rediculous. To sit there and waste all that money on those televisions, and to still have so many problems in the US... just another show of his false leadership and decision making.

[SAC_Cop]

You know, maybe I'm the only one, but I was thinking that, if it can be proven that he did in fact attempt to do this, that charges should be filed against him.

Good point buddy, but as you say proving it is the issue. If you can find someone with first hand knowledge and the "pills" to testify then yes by all means prosecute.

On a side note this election is going to be ugly, with the obvious racial overtones involved, if for some reason he does not win or if God forbid he does and something happens to him, there's going to be one he** of a mess.

[Startingover]

with the obvious racial overtones involved, if for some reason he does not win or if God forbid he does and something happens to him, there's going to be one he** of a mess.

Not only that, we have now, since Governern Palin has been declaired as his running mate, we now might see still the sexism and sexist part play in seeing has how this is only the second time in history women have actually gained notoriety in running for president.

[PaulR]

Nothing would belittle the presidential race more than to have racial overtones creep into the mix. He is nothing but a bag of air and will be defeated for who he is and what he stands for.

[DaveIn3D]

In my opinion, Obama is all smoke and mirrors; he's good at rallying people, saying exactly what people want to hear, but in terms of warfare, I think he's a little green around the gills. McCain on the other hand, as you all know, was a Naval Officer who also happened to be a POW. Although a real turn-off is that he doesn't know how to use the computer. :nervous:
The fact that Obama is willing to do what he did is testament to the fact that he will go to great lengths to win this election.

Ah well. Just this cadet's humble 0.002 cents.

My wife was telling me how the Germans really feel about Obama. They believe he is the second coming of Hitler. He has an iffy past, can speak really well, and people follow him blindly without knowing where he is leading them. Just like Germany in the 20s/30s, when the people were displeased with their current situation, Obama is filling the same niche the Fuhrer filled. Hitler wrote mein kampf, Obama has written two memoirs. Hitler did time in jail. Obama lived in Chicago. Hitler hated the jews. Obama is moslem so its in his blood to hate the jews. Sounds like a party to me if he gets elected.

-3D

[PaulR]

God help us if he is elected... between him and Pelosi's Congress, our Nation would become little more than a failed Socialist state:sick:.(I sure hope that I am wrong)

[PDudkowski]

This can't possibly be the first rodeo for most of you. The shock and outrage of a candidate standing on a set of principles and changing his mind or approach after the nomination. The mantra of every man and women in modern politics (excluding Hairy) is simple. Say what you have to to get elected, do what you want once you're in.

You Got Paul R saying "it will never hit the main stream media" yet he got it from the NY Post. True, it ain't NBC, ABC or CNN but it isn't the Drudge Report or Fox News either. As a matter of fact, every time I hear someone screaming how the story dejure will never be picked up by the "drive by media", I'm awed at how it isn't picked up in the conservative media either. Kinda tells me the story wasn't all that important to begin with but the power of the internet puts this false sense of importance on the story.

Anyway, back on topic. Spend your energies doing what you can to defeat Obama. If this is your attempt at defeating the man, you are wasting your energy here. It is preaching to the choir. Instead of stating your "outrage" on this forum, do something positive. I have never read an opinion here that changed my mind about anything.

O3, could you please elaborate on the possible crime he committed and what charges would be appropriate. Stupidity is not illegal. It even seem revered in Texas politics at times.

[HairyEyeball]

Now don't you go trashing Texas politics - one of the most (intentionally?) straightforward axioms of political life is taken straight from LBJ (although I don't know if he originated it):

"If you can't take their money, drink their whiskey, screw their women, and still vote agin' 'em, you got no bidness in this bidness."

As Paul so aptly stated, 'this ain't the first rodeo' for most of us, and even political novices quickly learn, in the words of an old but effective commercial: "Promise her anything..."

The best way to know how a frog will jump is to see how he has jumped - you don't need a degree in rocket science to know that a liar is a liar, to make the connection that someone whose closest advisors are racketeers, terrorists and America-haters embraces their 'values', or to ignore the voice saying 'ignore the man behind the green curtain'.

I appreciate the compliment, Paul, and hope to continue to deserve it, but there are other individuals with integrity who, for whatever reason, choose to wade into the toxic swamp of politics. We need to seek them out, support them, and encourage them to 'carry on - and continue the march'.

[Farang Kheemao]

Obama violated the Logan Act by trying to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay the withdrawal of US troops until after Bush had left office and he should be prosecuted.

:flag:

[SAC_Cop]

My wife was telling me how the Germans really feel about Obama. They believe he is the second coming of Hitler. He has an iffy past, can speak really well, and people follow him blindly without knowing where he is leading them. Just like Germany in the 20s/30s, when the people were displeased with their current situation, Obama is filling the same niche the Fuhrer filled. Hitler wrote mein kampf, Obama has written two memoirs. Hitler did time in jail. Obama lived in Chicago. Hitler hated the jews. Obama is moslem so its in his blood to hate the jews. Sounds like a party to me if he gets elected.

-3D

Interesting statement, does your wife have friends in Germany? I have not spoken to any native Germans recently, but they seem to have given him a warm welcome when he was there. It has been in the press that he supports the Palestinians so the anti Jewish thing could be true, who knows as we all know in an election year the accusations fly.

[03_SHOOTER]

O3, could you please elaborate on the possible crime he committed and what charges would be appropriate. Stupidity is not illegal. It even seem revered in Texas politics at times.

My apologies for not getting back to you sooner PD, I was "out of the loop" the past 5 days for an annual family get-together.

The violation in question would be the Logan Act, 18 USC, 953.

SOURCE & Cornell Law School (http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000953----000-.html)
TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 45 > § 953
Private correspondence with foreign governments

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

Late Edit:
Thanks to Farang for catching that for me!!

[dukesix]

What Obama did was indeed illegal. Is there anybody out there (with authority) that would even think about pursuing charges? Probably not. Barry is the anointed one. Kinda disgusting actually.

Dukesix