Knockout Drill

[Armed Drill Addict]

I have been to a number of competitions, and the vast majority of them have a knockout drill. I have been knocked out a few times for going to parade rest while not facing our starting position, and I gave been knocked out for not going to parade rest; the same goes for present arms. Does anyone know the correct regulation for it.

Also another question I have is can you perform an about face when you were not originally facing your commanding officer or if you had not previously done an about face from that position.

[TruBlu]

I don't know where you compete at, but a commander can call commands no matter which way his/her individual, squad, etc. is facing. That's a ridiculous rule at any competition to have! Just do what they command, after all, it IS a command. Things like going to right shoulder after present are no duhs but you can present facing any which way you like. And the same for the about face. I've never ever ever seen that in a regulation and cannot site a regulation because, well to my knowledge its not there. Those are home rules that they should explain before the competition commences. I hope this helps, and that I am not incorrect, then I would look ignorant as hell.

[-BuLL-]

What really sucks is when they call rear march from a halt for the movement backwards march. I have also been to competitions where one is called out for presenting arms to the rear(not facing the commander) and others where it is allowed. They will all be different, just do what you think is right or learn to adapt.

[TruBlu]

What really sucks is when they call rear march from a halt for the movement backwards march. I have also been to competitions where one is called out for presenting arms to the rear(not facing the commander) and others where it is allowed. They will all be different, just do what you think is right or learn to adapt.

Backwards march isn't even a real command! To the year from halt is acceptable, but there isn't such thing as backwards march. I don't know where you guys go to competition at, but whoever is calling them needs to learn a few things. At all the competitions I go to, they are called by either Army or Marine DIs, and they don't do that whole trick command gig. When you go to knockout where I do, its just strait forward drill, and I don't think we would have it any other way. You aren't knocked out because the competition has ridiculous rules or trick commands, you are knocked out because your execution of proper movements were not as good as others, or you just messed up.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

[armysc_25b]

Backwards, March may not be an AF command, but per Army FM 3-21.5 it is indeed a real command/movement.

[TruBlu]

Backwards, March may not be an AF command, but per Army FM 3-21.5 it is indeed a real command/movement.

I stand corrected on that one, that's what I get for going off on a Navy JROTC section lol. Thank you ArmySC_25b for correcting me.

[WWW]

I stand corrected on that one, that's what I get for going off on a Navy JROTC section lol. Thank you ArmySC_25b for correcting me.

In NJROTC there is a "back step march" though

[Armed Drill Addict]

Yes there is it is a half step going backwards. It is 15 in step.

[TruBlu]

Speaking of knockout, I just placed second yesterday (Citadel Bulldog Drill Meet). Reason I'm posting this: a Navy guy beat me!!! It was fun though, and he was a really good guy and a fair sport. I love inter-service knockouts.

[Armed Drill Addict]

I wish I could attend more all-service meets, but my SNSI and NSI have decided that we are going to attend Navy-only meets.

[flyBoy2010]

I wish I could attend more all-service meets, but my SNSI and NSI have decided that we are going to attend Navy-only meets.

I think thats sad. When you compete against different branches, you get a chance to see different types of routines, especially for exhibition, and can get ideas of new moves.

[TruBlu]

I wish I could attend more all-service meets, but my SNSI and NSI have decided that we are going to attend Navy-only meets.

Whats the reason for that? More uniformity? I think its good to experience all branches and interact with others. It makes for a more worldly experience.

[Armed Drill Addict]

They think that keeping one uniform drill card for the year makes it easier for our teams, and it gets annoying because I know my team can handle it.

[TruBlu]

They think that keeping one uniform drill card for the year makes it easier for our teams, and it gets annoying because I know my team can handle it.

The drill cards don't vary a whole lot, I mean really, there are only so many regulation moves for a routine. My favorite cards out of all are the Air Force ones, maybe a little bias but I just like the drill coverage and style of them. They are always very strait forward and you can lay them out easily to decide how you want to attack them. You can do that with all of them, just AF is my personal choice.

[Armed Drill Addict]

They don't see it that way unfortunately. I have been working and they are starting to look at a few meets including a few MCJROTC which intrests me. I just enjoy how the MCJROTC units look and its a good example for our freshmen on how you should be during inspection.

[TruBlu]

They don't see it that way unfortunately. I have been working and they are starting to look at a few meets including a few MCJROTC which intrests me. I just enjoy how the MCJROTC units look and its a good example for our freshmen on how you should be during inspection.

I rarely get to see MCJROTC units, there are none in my direct area, and only a few in the state. Actually, I think there are only two of them I have ever competed against, both NC schools. But that doesn't matter, they look sharp! At all times those MCJROTC guys were on the ball and with full military bearing. They are a good example for your freshmen, and for any other team member really. There are a few things I don't personally like about their drill (at least the two units that I've seen), but they are all uniform and look sharp for sure.

[Armed Drill Addict]

I rarely get to see MCJROTC units, there are none in my direct area, and only a few in the state. Actually, I think there are only two of them I have ever competed against, both NC schools. But that doesn't matter, they look sharp! At all times those MCJROTC guys were on the ball and with full military bearing. They are a good example for your freshmen, and for any other team member really. There are a few things I don't personally like about their drill (at least the two units that I've seen), but they are all uniform and look sharp for sure.

Whether you like their drill or not its hard to argue that, in general, MCJROTC units tend to just be more disciplined than other branches. Its just drilled into their minds about being professional, while there are no doubt cadets like that in other branches of JROTC, there always seem to be a few who aren't very disciplined. It seems like with MCJROTC its like everyone at least appears disciplined.