Ranking System is alittle messed up in my school any ideas.

[C/PFC. BRIVIESCA]

There are currently three LET2 on Staff two are C/PFC.'s and one is a C/SGT. Because the regulations for staff is Captain-Major my SAI is promoting them to Captian. Two of them deserve and really care about there doing but one of the PFC.'s is just rubbing it into everyones faces. I just don think its right for them to get that much of a jump in rank like that. There are far more experienced higher ranking cadets that would be good canidates for the job. Also is a LET1 Cadet with virtually no rank aloud to be a Team Leader. There is a cadet who is a clp. in a Squad Leaders postion and he didnt want Squad Leader or to even be in the program this year. So he was only placed there becaucse he is a Senior at my High School. I just think that some of this stuff is just so mest up.

[Drill for life]

There are currently three LET2 on Staff two are C/PFC.'s and one is a C/SGT. Because the regulations for staff is Captain-Major my SAI is promoting them to Captian. Two of them deserve and really care about there doing but one of the PFC.'s is just rubbing it into everyones faces. I just don think its right for them to get that much of a jump in rank like that. There are far more experienced higher ranking cadets that would be good canidates for the job. Also is a LET1 Cadet with virtually no rank aloud to be a Team Leader. There is a cadet who is a clp. in a Squad Leaders postion and he didnt want Squad Leader or to even be in the program this year. So he was only placed there becaucse he is a Senior at my High School. I just think that some of this stuff is just so mest up.

First off fix your Spelling. The samething is happening in my unit. Our S-1 has never and I mean never done anything after school. She is real good at her job though. Let your SAI and AI take care of it. Contact Grunt and change you Username, it violates CPP. Are you one of these Cadets,what is your job in your unit?

[Billyd]

Cadet, before making another post, you need to do 2 things:

1. PM Grunt about a screen name change. Per policy, you are not permitted to include your name in your screen name or signature

2. Clean this post up so that it complies with the standards of the English language.

[TruBlu]

I won't comment on you spelling or other mishaps in your post because I feel that's been said and done (and people behind me in posting don't need to either, its SAID AND DONE).

Anyways, I'm glad you posted this up here, and you should not leave this up to your SAI/AI (they contributed to the problem, how are they going to solve it right?). If something is wrong and no one is taking action, take action yourself! I'm not an AJROTC guy, I'm AFJROTC, but this is something that is so base that I believe that I can apply my thoughts to it.

First off, I want to address Team Leader and Squad Leader situation that you have. A first year cadet shouldn't be barred from a Team Leader position if there are no other cadets available to fill it. Plus, the fact that a Team is the lowest level of organization, I don't see the problem with the lowest level of seniority to occupy that position. A Squad Leader on the other hand should be a dedicated individual that truly wants to be there. You never have to accept "he is there because he is a senior and that's final." In fact, as a cadet who is concerned with the well being of your corps, it is you duty to call out the person who placed them there for that reason. Its unacceptable. Even if you have to replace that cadet with say a first year who is better qualified or motivated. Rank for those positions if they HAVE to be mandated can be assigned temporarily with the cadet reverting back to permanent or lesser rank when their duties in that position are fulfilled.

Now to your staff positions. Its simple, if you have upperclassmen who are better qualified for the position, raise it to the CO or instructors. Having these cadets who are LET2s that are being promoted to officer ranks is not good practice. Look at it this way, even if regulations say that Staff cadets should hold a certain rank, in your case officership, shouldn't the requirements for that rank be taken into consideration? I don't know of any unit that doesn't have some form of an officer leadership school or something of its nature. In most units, yours sounds like one with regulations and all, you can't become an officer unless you go to one of those. If they haven't then why are they officers? If they are the only cadets who should be filling those positions, that's fine, but their rank needs to be respected, along with everyone else's rank. If you promote people to officers as first or second year cadets, the idea of an officer is lost. They don't need to be officers! Why not pitch the idea of having them as NCOICs, that way they aren't officers, but still hold respectable rank for a staff position. Then at the fulfillment of their duties, they could revert to their permanent or lesser rank to keep balance.

Finally, if cadets are boasting or bragging about their new found position and rank, they don't deserve to be their and should be removed.

I hope this helps you out, and usually when a unit has something like this, there could be more problems within the structure. I am always open to questions and suggestions for these situations, and if you so choose, I can help you out.

[C/PFC. BRIVIESCA]

I won't comment on you spelling or other mishaps in your post because I feel that's been said and done (and people behind me in posting don't need to either, its SAID AND DONE).

Anyways, I'm glad you posted this up here, and you should not leave this up to your SAI/AI (they contributed to the problem, how are they going to solve it right?). If something is wrong and no one is taking action, take action yourself! I'm not an AJROTC guy, I'm AFJROTC, but this is something that is so base that I believe that I can apply my thoughts to it.

First off, I want to address Team Leader and Squad Leader situation that you have. A first year cadet shouldn't be barred from a Team Leader position if there are no other cadets available to fill it. Plus, the fact that a Team is the lowest level of organization, I don't see the problem with the lowest level of seniority to occupy that position. A Squad Leader on the other hand should be a dedicated individual that truly wants to be there. You never have to accept "he is there because he is a senior and that's final." In fact, as a cadet who is concerned with the well being of your corps, it is you duty to call out the person who placed them there for that reason. Its unacceptable. Even if you have to replace that cadet with say a first year who is better qualified or motivated. Rank for those positions if they HAVE to be mandated can be assigned temporarily with the cadet reverting back to permanent or lesser rank when their duties in that position are fulfilled.

Now to your staff positions. Its simple, if you have upperclassmen who are better qualified for the position, raise it to the CO or instructors. Having these cadets who are LET2s that are being promoted to officer ranks is not good practice. Look at it this way, even if regulations say that Staff cadets should hold a certain rank, in your case officership, shouldn't the requirements for that rank be taken into consideration? I don't know of any unit that doesn't have some form of an officer leadership school or something of its nature. In most units, yours sounds like one with regulations and all, you can't become an officer unless you go to one of those. If they haven't then why are they officers? If they are the only cadets who should be filling those positions, that's fine, but their rank needs to be respected, along with everyone else's rank. If you promote people to officers as first or second year cadets, the idea of an officer is lost. They don't need to be officers! Why not pitch the idea of having them as NCOICs, that way they aren't officers, but still hold respectable rank for a staff position. Then at the fulfillment of their duties, they could revert to their permanent or lesser rank to keep balance.

Finally, if cadets are boasting or bragging about their new found position and rank, they don't deserve to be their and should be removed.

I hope this helps you out, and usually when a unit has something like this, there could be more problems within the structure. I am always open to questions and suggestions for these situations, and if you so choose, I can help you out.


Thank you for this information it has helped me out alot. It's just things are so corrupted in my Unit that it isnt even funny. I want to tell my SAI and AI about my squad leader but I dont think they will Listen to me. I am a LET2 c/Private First Class and am the Alpha Team Leader in my Squad. I have to constantely do stuff for my squad leader because he just does whatever he wants. My whole squad pretty much wants to beat the crap out of him one of them even said this morning "I am getting tired of this S--t." They are begining to hate AJROTC and we are also the Worst Drilled Squad and its all because he wont teach them. I get mad about it and try to help them all out and teach them right and proper but then ethier my squad leader or my pltsgt. or even my SAI get on to me about saying its not my job. Every morning I have to tell him how many people we have present/absent/tardy and when our SAI asks the Name of the Cadet in question I have to tell him who they are. Whenever the SAI tells him to gather all the info on the squad who ends up covering his but me. I know its not my job and I should let him get in trouble but as a squad we are a team and when one of us messes up we all do. So I am constanly finding myself covering for him. I think if I can get the whole squad to tell my SAI and AI that we have a problem with my Squad leader then Maybe just Maybe we can get him replaced, and no I dont care who takes over as long as they care about it and really do there job. I am sorry for the spelling errors I was in a hurry, and that is my rank but not my last name I made it up.

[armysc_25b]

Piece of advice, if you're in a hurry wait until you have more time to post then do so. We promise the forum won't up and disappear if you don't post immediately.

Since you're new, I'll give you this one, but in the future your posts are subject to deletion if, putting it bluntly, your writing sucks. Also, use the c/ preface before ranks in your posts.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

I don't believe that your ranking system is messed up, my school is the same way.

One LET-1 I trained when I was a LET-3 now outranks me, as he is an officer.

Just something you have to deal with.

[TruBlu]

Thank you for this information it has helped me out alot. It's just things are so corrupted in my Unit that it isnt even funny. I want to tell my SAI and AI about my squad leader but I dont think they will Listen to me. I am a LET2 c/Private First Class and am the Alpha Team Leader in my Squad. I have to constantely do stuff for my squad leader because he just does whatever he wants. My whole squad pretty much wants to beat the crap out of him one of them even said this morning "I am getting tired of this S--t." They are begining to hate AJROTC and we are also the Worst Drilled Squad and its all because he wont teach them. I get mad about it and try to help them all out and teach them right and proper but then ethier my squad leader or my pltsgt. or even my SAI get on to me about saying its not my job. Every morning I have to tell him how many people we have present/absent/tardy and when our SAI asks the Name of the Cadet in question I have to tell him who they are. Whenever the SAI tells him to gather all the info on the squad who ends up covering his but me. I know its not my job and I should let him get in trouble but as a squad we are a team and when one of us messes up we all do. So I am constanly finding myself covering for him. I think if I can get the whole squad to tell my SAI and AI that we have a problem with my Squad leader then Maybe just Maybe we can get him replaced, and no I dont care who takes over as long as they care about it and really do there job. I am sorry for the spelling errors I was in a hurry, and that is my rank but not my last name I made it up.

First off, just because you said something about your user name, it still needs to be changed because it resembles a last name (you never know someone with that last name could come here).

But back to what REALLY matters. You said that a lot of stuff is messed up within your unit. What is actually messed up in your unit? I, and I'm sure plenty of other cadets here, may be able to offer advice as to what you should do, or propose to your unit.

And the Squad Leader "problem." Don't cover for him. Plain and simple, don't cover for him. Don't hinder your squad mates, but don't help him if you can't help himself. If you have gone individually to your CO or instructors with his behavior and nothing has happened, go with others who support you. Groups are far more effective than individuals, but you must avoid having your squad walk in and everyone starts complaining their heads off. What you need to do is get your squad mates, every one of them if possible, and sit down with your CO, or even better your instructor if nothing is getting done, and say "Look, this Squad Leader does nothing, in fact, he does more to reverse the squads performance than promote it. We want action for the sake of our own ability to properly advance and strive within this corps." Give specific examples but don't play the he said she said gig, it will only worsen your case. Just be civilized about it and don't let emotion into it while in that meeting. If it doesn't work, completely stop assisting the Squad Leader in any way that is out of your particular position (if you aren't required to do something, don't do it) and shift the blame of failure from the entire squad to the Squad Leader. Too many times have I seen entire Flights (your Platoons) fail because of their CC (your CO). Don't let this happen to your squad, platoon, company, battalion, etc. Its not fair to your or any other cadet that someone like that is in the position that he is in.

I don't believe that your ranking system is messed up, my school is the same way.

One LET-1 I trained when I was a LET-3 now outranks me, as he is an officer.

Just something you have to deal with.

Of course there is something wrong with it! Now when cadets who don't care are placed in positions because of seniority, there is a problem. When first and second year cadets are promoted to officers even if they really don't deserve them, there is a problem.

When you train someone and then later they outrank you, there really isn't a problem. Take this for example: NCOs are the life blood of the corps. NCOs are responsible for training other cadets so that they will be successful. Say a c/SFC is a Platoon Sergeant and trains the cadets under him to become officers. Lets say 3 of those cadets are given the opportunity to go to that officer leadership school and/or attain their officer status, correctly. Now all three of those cadets are fresh c/2LTs and are all above the c/SFC who trained them in rank. Now one of them is the Platoon CO and the Platoon Sergeant that trained him is now above him! That's perfectly acceptable. Why in the world would one cadet who goes up all the ranks in the enlisted section would want to trade those stripes in for officer rank is unbeknown to me. What I'm saying is this: if a cadet attains his rank properly there is no problem, other wise there is a problem.

[DevilvoldX]

Your rank system is way different from my battalion's. In mine LET 1 cadets start at c/Private No Insignia, and then can earn c/Private by passing their Creed test. After that there are several ways to be promoted.
1. Passing a ranks test
2. Making all A honor roll
3. Passing the Cadet Challenge
4. Performing well on teams
5. Marching in Parades
6. Making a 100 on a Drill or PT test
and a few others

The Chain of Command is filled with only LET 3 and LET 4 cadets. Currently we have a LET 3 S5 and S1 the rest of the staff are LET 4s. The c/CSM is a LET 3 then we have 2 c/First Sergeants. At the end of the first semester our SAI and AI choose 2 or 3 LET 3s to promote to c/Second Lieutenant. Other than that the only Officers we ever have are LET 4s and they fill all positions.

[ang1sgt]

Although this is AF JROTC information, I am SURE that the Army JROTC has a similar manual or Guide.

Taken from AIR FORCE JROTC INSTRUCTION 36-2001

6.2. Cadet Rank and Rotation. Consider the strengths and shortcomings of the individual
cadets when assigning them to positions to ensure they gain the greatest leadership benefits.
Promotions are a motivational tool that are unavailable if rank structure is not managed properly;
i.e., avoid promoting cadets to the maximum authorized rank too quickly to ensure proper
progression and promotion opportunities.

6.2.1. New units should limit cadet rank during the beginning years to allow for unit growth.

6.2.2. See Table 6.1 for maximum grade authorizations for a cadet corps are:

Table 6.1. Maximum Grade Authorizations
Wing Position Maximum Grade
Wing Commander Cadet Col
Vice Commander Cadet Col
Command Chief Master Sergeant Cadet CMSgt
Operations Group Commander Cadet Col
Operations Group Superintendent Cadet CMSgt
Mission Support Group Commander Cadet Col
Mission Support Group Superintendent Cadet CMSgt
Squadron Commander Cadet Lt Col
Squadron Superintendent Cadet CMSgt
Squadron First Sergeant Cadet SMSgt

6.2.3. The word “cadet” or an abbreviation must be a part of all references to cadet ranks.

6.2.4. All cadets are assigned a permanent grade commensurate with the number of
AFJROTC years satisfactorily completed; i.e., the permanent grade for first-year cadets is
Airman; second-year, Airman First Class; third-year, Senior Airman; and fourth-year, if
offered, Staff Sergeant. Permanent grades are awarded during the second semester of each
year. Retention of permanent grades is contingent upon satisfactory performance and
behavior as determined by the AFJROTC Instructors. Permanent officer status will be
awarded to cadets holding officer positions for two or more grading periods. Exceptions are
authorized at the discretion of the AFJROTC Instructors and in accordance with published
unit guidance.

6.2.5. Cadets may be assigned a temporary grade based on a specific position. Use of a
temporary-permanent grade pattern is optional and intended to serve as an administrative
vehicle for rotation of responsibility and to avoid imbalances in grade structure. Cadets
serving in a temporary grade may revert to their permanent grade upon completion of these
duties. At the discretion of the AFJROTC Instructors, cadets in their final term of AFJROTC
may retain the highest rank to which they have been promoted, regardless of course level.