The Right to Gripe!!

[SGM]

I received my absentee ballot, voted and mailed it, so now no matter what happens I got the RIGHT TO B!TØH!!!

I hope all you out there vote. If you don't - don't get on this site(or any other) and say one word!!!

At least this is one of the rights I get to exercise even OCONUS;)

[PaulR]

I sent mine with delivery confirmation last week!

[SlightlyCatholic]

This is my first presidential election that I get to vote in, so I'm pretty excited. Should be good!

[Billyd]

Just make sure to vote the RIGHT way :D

[SlightlyCatholic]

I registered Republican when I first got my license and haven't gone back. I can't stand the liberal mindset on pro-life issues. The right to life is just as inalienable as any other right and it's being attacked. Anyway, I'll stop preaching. :-)

[PhoenixCadet]

I hope all you out there vote. If you don't - don't get on this site(or any other) and say one word!!!

Aye, sir - but what about those of us who - while we have enough logical, true information to make rational decision on a presidental candidate - can't do so because of age requirements?

I know, personally, I love to debate with people, especially on the subject of politics.

-PC

[StarLifter]

Originally registered as independent, mainly because there are things I agree with on each side, and things I disagree with on each side. Like Seminarian, this will also be my first time voting in a presidential election. At this time, I'm registered as a Republican because my state requires I declare a party to vote in any primaries. I've made my decision, and will be up bright and early on the 4th of November to hit the polls.

I just hope everyone else I know who's able to exercises the right.

-- StarLifter

[Scrappy]

Just make sure to vote the RIGHT way :D


What EXACTLY is the "right" way to vote??


If you guys knew HALF the stuff that I saw growing up in AZ..........I am so very discouraged right now. Has anybody done their own research on both the candidates? Or is everyone relying on the the media relations and campaign commercials to make their decisions?

The fact of the matter is that we don't have a 'good' candidate to vote for, so I am extremely curious to know what is the 'right' way to vote...........

[SlightlyCatholic]

I've often thought of what would happen if there was a place on the ballot that said "check here to vote for neither candidate". It would probably be chaos if we had that and it actually turned out that neither candidate got enough votes to win. Then again, that's impossible with the electoral college. I don't think electors have the option to withhold their vote from both candidates.

[Scrappy]

I've often thought of what would happen if there was a place on the ballot that said "check here to vote for neither candidate". It would probably be chaos if we had that and it actually turned out that neither candidate got enough votes to win. Then again, that's impossible with the electoral college. I don't think electors have the option to withhold their vote from both candidates.


LOL, we could always write in our own candidate........Vote for SCRAPPY!!!

(I am just joking. I will keep reiterating my joking comments until everyone understands my sense of humor and doesn't take anything I say personally)


I sure wish Colin Powell had run previously, but then that would negate the reason for wanting him as President so badly......Those who do not WANT the power usually make the best leaders.

[CAPSmith]

Those who do not WANT the power usually make the best leaders.

I think that this could be changed to "Those who do not want power, usually make the best leaders." If someone is in it simply for their own ego boost or because it is a "powerful" position, their head is in the wrong game from the start.

[Scrappy]

I think that this could be changed to "Those who do not want power, usually make the best leaders." If someone is in it simply for their own ego boost or because it is a "powerful" position, their head is in the wrong game from the start.


Huh? I am confused, I thought that is exactly what I said???



As for someone who doesn't want the power........would they still be considered a "politician"?

[CAPSmith]

Huh? I am confused, I thought that is exactly what I said???



As for someone who doesn't want the power........would they still be considered a "politician"?

Meh, I interpreted "The power" and "power" differently. I interpret "The power" to be people who don't want to be in the position in the first place. They don't want anything to do with the situation or position because they don't want the responsibility that goes with it.

The other scenario would be someone who doesn't want the position for power. I can see where I am confusing or even confused though.

[03_SHOOTER]

What EXACTLY is the "right" way to vote??


If you guys knew HALF the stuff that I saw growing up in AZ..........I am so very discouraged right now. Has anybody done their own research on both the candidates? Or is everyone relying on the the media relations and campaign commercials to make their decisions?

The fact of the matter is that we don't have a 'good' candidate to vote for, so I am extremely curious to know what is the 'right' way to vote...........

In this particular election, we have a choice between someone who works well "across the aisle" (some of us consider it to be a bit TOO well, but that's a rant for another time), and an open Socialist/Communist who has at least one major thing in common with Usama Bin Laden, they're both friends with people who have DECLARED WAR ON, AND ATTACKED AMERICA!

IMNSHO, there's only one "right" way to vote in this election, McCain/Palin '08.

[SGM]

Aye, sir - but what about those of us who - while we have enough logical, true information to make rational decision on a presidental candidate - can't do so because of age requirements?

I know, personally, I love to debate with people, especially on the subject of politics.

-PC

I guess you got to grow up just like the rest of us who now vote. You also must be smart enough to know the underlying meaning of my post. While you're at it, learn who to adress as "Sir" and who not.

[PhoenixCadet]

While you're at it, learn who to adress as "Sir" and who not.

I'm well aware of who to address as sir, ma'am and whatnot. Given I'm not in a formal situation - I didn't know it needed to be so. I go based off what my parents taught me regarding respect. I guess some actually don't agree with that.

-PC

[SGM]

I'm well aware of who to address as sir, ma'am and whatnot. Given I'm not in a formal situation - I didn't know it needed to be so. I go based off what my parents taught me regarding respect. I guess some actually don't agree with that.

-PC

Given the fact you are now posting on a "Military based" type of forum, and you can see by all of our dogtags and most of our avitars what rank we are or have held while on duty, then you DON'T know who to address as Sir/Ma'am. This fact has been brought to your attention on other threads. I strongly advise to you to grow up and wake up.

You can address me as SGM or SGM, but don't address me as SIR!!!!

[PhoenixCadet]

Yes, SGM.

-PC

[Woody]

Hey spare a thought for those of us who dont get a vote ,but,Still get all the media coverage .Can think of reasons not to like either candidate not enough reasons to like one over the other though.Not that it matters to me either way.

[63Bravo]

I guess you got to grow up just like the rest of us who now vote. You also must be smart enough to know the underlying meaning of my post. While you're at it, learn who to adress as "Sir" and who not.

Well SGM, am I to infer that your underlying meaning is that everyone needs to vote for McCain/Palin? That sure seems like what you are saying, and I for one don't agree, neither with your underlying meaning, or the way in which you expressed it. To tell anyone else of voting age who they should or should not vote for is unacceptable.

I know the post was directed at PhoenixCadet, but its implications are there for anyone else to read as well, which is why I commented.

[PhoenixCadet]

Well SGM, am I to infer that your underlying meaning is that everyone needs to vote for McCain/Palin? That sure seems like what you are saying, and I for one don't agree, neither with your underlying meaning, or the way in which you expressed it. To tell anyone else of voting age who they should or should not vote for is unacceptable.

Where in any of the SGM's posts in this thread did he even mention McCain or Palin? I'm utterly confused at how you could come to that conclusion from reading what he's posted in this thread.

[Billyd]

I only saw two individuals express an opinion on who to vote for and that would be 03 or me. You will take note of the smiley after my post to indicate that it was intended as a pun and not to be taken seriously. And 03 directly expressed the opinion that McCain/Palin was the RIGHT way to vote.

63Bravo, if you are so insecure about your choice for President that you take offense to someone expressing an opinion as to how to vote, which the OP did not do, then you might want to rethink why you are voting for that candidate.

[63Bravo]

I only saw two individuals express an opinion on who to vote for and that would be 03 or me. You will take note of the smiley after my post to indicate that it was intended as a pun and not to be taken seriously. And 03 directly expressed the opinion that McCain/Palin was the RIGHT way to vote.

63Bravo, if you are so insecure about your choice for President that you take offense to someone expressing an opinion as to how to vote, which the OP did not do, then you might want to rethink why you are voting for that candidate.

Oh rest assured, I have no qualms about who I am voting for and against. I have made no bones about the fact that I was a McCain supporter right up and until he chose Sarah Palin as his running mate. I will not vote for that ticket because of her, her ideals, and her blatant ignorance to world politics.

I do however apologize to SGM for mistaking him for the implication that the "only right way to vote is McCain/Palin", for it was not he that said it.

Having an opinion is one thing, but to negate anyone elses opinion and proclaim that your opinion is the only right one, is IMO, wrong, and I stand behind that belief.

[03_SHOOTER]

Oh rest assured, I have no qualms about who I am voting for and against. I have made no bones about the fact that I was a McCain supporter right up and until he chose Sarah Palin as his running mate. I will not vote for that ticket because of her, her ideals, and her blatant ignorance to world politics.

Am I to understand that you're going to vote for a Socialist who all but directly quotes Karl Marx, and who has vowed to violate his Oath of Office before he even takes it, because you don't believe that Governor Palins stance on some issues square with yours? And what exactly would those issues be? Self sufficiency? Respect for life? Getting rid of graft and wasteful spending?

Having an opinion is one thing, but to negate anyone elses opinion and proclaim that your opinion is the only right one, is IMO, wrong, and I stand behind that belief.

We are ALL entitled to our opinions, and we are all free to express them here. If someone feels that theirs is the only "right" way to vote, then I assume that the person forwarding such an opinion has a very high degree of faith in that choice, and as such is also prepared to discuss it, in depth, and to be able to defend that choice intelligently. Are you prepared for such a discussion, or are you simply going to try to tell everyone that they don't have the Right to express their First Amendment Rights?

[Billyd]

Oh rest assured, I have no qualms about who I am voting for and against. I have made no bones about the fact that I was a McCain supporter right up and until he chose Sarah Palin as his running mate. I will not vote for that ticket because of her, her ideals, and her blatant ignorance to world politics.

Gee, my bad, I thought we were electing the President of the United States and not he Vice-President. Since passage of the 12th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the VP has just been along for the ride versus being the person who came in second.

I don't know or care how old you are, but I can remember the last socialist we had sitting in the Oval Office and I can remember sitting in gas lines, odd/even gas days, and an act of war that went unpunished. We had 50+ American citizens held in our Embassy in Tehran for over 400 days and within minutes of President Reagan taking office, they were freed.

And the only reason that Carter won the White House is because the sitting president had not been elected to the office. He was appointed VP when Agnew resigned, and became president when Nixon resigned. And Ford was the better choice.

Really, I don't give a rat's patoot who or what you vote for. You could vote for Marvin the Martian for all I care. Just be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

[Startingover]

Gee, my bad, I thought we were electing the President of the United States and not he Vice-President. Since passage of the 12th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the VP has just been along for the ride versus being the person who came in second.

I don't know or care how old you are, but I can remember the last socialist we had sitting in the Oval Office and I can remember sitting in gas lines, odd/even gas days, and an act of war that went unpunished. We had 50+ American citizens held in our Embassy in Tehran for over 400 days and within minutes of President Reagan taking office, they were freed.

And the only reason that Carter won the White House is because the sitting president had not been elected to the office. He was appointed VP when Agnew resigned, and became president when Nixon resigned. And Ford was the better choice.

Really, I don't give a rat's patoot who or what you vote for. You could vote for Marvin the Martian for all I care. Just be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

I agree with the way that BillyD put it.

People voting just to vote is wrong, people voting to go with the trend is also wrong. You need to be informed and you need to be aware of what each candidate stands for, not wether they are white, black, red or purple. Color has no bearing anymore.

Religion however does, and we are a country founded under god. Debate on that in a little bit though.

I hate it when I ask someone who are they voting for and they say obama. I ask why and they just say cause McCain is old, or hes disabled. Well let me say this.

Who do you want to vote for? A man who refuses to even salute the flag when the national anthem is playing? who will not recite the pledge or wear even a pin to show his support for his country, and then shows up wearing two just because people made a big deal about it?

Or would you rather have a man, who was captured and held for 5 years after an accident that left him permenantly crippled, who fought for our country and was one of the few to live from an experience, more horendous and more hideous than any of us will ever know under the guise of a war that we should not have been in?

So should we elect, a relative rookie into office, with no service to his country other than a few paltry years in state senate, that for all accounts is very unfavorable on what he had done? Or do we want the veteran who fought for a cause and a reason that noone really believed in, and still gave a sacrifice more than all of america's youth do going out and deciding what pair of pants to wear in the morning. Cause mind you, Barack Obama has never fought for your rights, he hasnt seen a day of combat in his life.

[DaveIn3D]

The following is excerpted from a mail I recieved. I figured it fit in better here than in its own post. This is mostly for that 63BRAVO fella.

7 reasons not to vote for Barry Hussein SNOBama

1. I hear your mantra of change, change, change. Yet, you picked a long term, liberal, Washington insider (Joe Biden) to be your running mate. This is NOT change. It is a move that hypocritically refutes the very thing you supposedly stand for. Your campaign then slammed McCain for picking Sarah Palin, apparently, because she is NOT a Washington insider. She is a maverick who cleaned-up Alaska 's quagmire of political scandals. Which way is it, Barack? Is it okay for you to pick a Washington insider under the mantra of 'change', but not okay for John McCain to pick a smart, aggressive, reformer?

2. You have the single most liberal voting record in the senate. This indicates to me and others like me that you may very well be an angry black man seeking to punish our country for sins of a different generation. I am not racist. I have some biases just like you and every other human alive. Unlike the democratic party who claims to be for the minority (but their record heavily refutes this), I will give any person who truly needs help, help. I married a 'minority' girl 35 years ago (she is Hispanic) and have seen the evils of prejudice first hand. However, I have also seen my wife and my children and others in her family throw off the veil of self imposed prejudicial bondage and move ahead. They love our country and do not view themselves any different than I view myself as a citizen of this country. Your lovely wife so disappointed people like me during this campaign when she stated it was the first time she had ever been proud of this country. She apparently never noticed the massive aid we give dozens of other countries. She apparently never noticed the sacrifice of literally millions of veterans who helped make this country a free nation and helped liberate other nations from brutal dictators such as Adolph Hitler. She apparently does not remember that she attended ivy league universities with scholarship money that ultimately (at least some of it) was paid for by our taxes. This troubles me more than you know. She is an angry black woman who appears to not like her country very much. I don't want her representing me to the rest of the world.

3. You claim Christianity but apparently do not realize that the Bible teaches that he who does not work, does not eat. The Bible does not say or even suggest that he who CANNOT work, should not eat. Yet, your liberal policies reward people who are capable of work king, but choose to not do so. This bothers me. I know that if you are elected our taxes will spiral upwards. You should heed the words of Winston Churchill: 'We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.' If I like anything about you, it is your campaign promise to balance the federal budget. Unfortunately, we have heard this a huge number of times from a number of different politicians and we realize that when you energize the very liberal Nancy Pelosi, Robert Byrd, Ted Kennedy, etc, etc, and the many other democrats like them, a balanced budget will never, ever happen on your watch.

4. During your question and answer session with Rick Warren of Saddleback Church your answer concerning the question of where does life begin, stunned me: 'Above your pay grade?' Does this mean when something bad happens as President of this nation that you are going to look at your salary to determine if you can respond? I am sorry, but this was the most serious gaffe I have seen you make. Frankly, it shows me that you are pandering in the most obvious manner. You will choose your words not from your heart, but from an agenda that I believe is still hidden from the American people.

5. If anything stands out about you it is probably your appeasement mentality. In this era of rampant, radical Islamic extremism and with the latest stunt pulled by the re-energized Russian government, I am not sure appeasement is healthy. I again revert to the words of Winston Churchill: 'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.'

6. You and your party tacitly believe that a 13 or 14 year old girl must have the parents approval to have the school nurse provide them with a Tylenol when they have a headache at school. Yet, this same girl can become pregnant and the school can skirt her off to a clinic and abort the child in her body without the parents knowing or being notified. This scares the hell out of me. You have two little girls. Would you be upset if this happened to them and you were not informed? Then why do you stand for this? It makes no sense to me.

7. My seventh and final point (for now) is your supporters. I have watched the Hollywood entertainers that support you, systematically embrace Hugo Chavez of Venezuela and others like him. I see the continuous smut and garbage produced by Hollywood , the very people who promote you the most vigorously. It is not a positive point to me and others like me to see these over-paid, bizarre, poor examples of human existence fawn over you and push you and your liberal agenda as hard as they do. The way I see it; When the devil is for you, we should question whether or not we should be against you.

But hey, hate Sarah Palin because she sounds like one of and lives like one of us. I have heard a lot of people bitching that 'we dont have a candidate that really represents us' and now we get one (Gov. Palin)and they are bitching that 'she doesnt sound enough like the politicians we hate.'

My family wonders why I have served 3 consecutive overseas tours (ROK,DE,JPN). One day they will figure it out.

-3D

[63Bravo]

I`m not about to go through each and every one of these last few posts, not because I cant argue my position, but simply put, it would fall on deaf ears. I am from a military family as well as spending the last 14 years proudly wearing my uniform and serving honorably...I know that almost mandates that I vote Republican, as %95 of the military population will. But I will not, not this time.

I voted for GW Bush the first time because I felt he could do something positive for the country...I did so with no qualms or questions. I then had to vote for him a 2nd time when I would have rather voted for someone else...there was no way I was going to drop a vote for John Kerry.

I now set here and want to vote for McCain, knowing thats who I was intending on voting for at the start of this election if he got the nomination, but after watching him, listening to him, reading and digging into him, I can not support him wholly. He made a very bad decision with his choice for VP, and at such an advanced age and having the health issues he has, that is a decision he should have put more thought into.

Sarah Palin will be the President if something happens to McCain, and that thought alone terrifies the living crap out of me! This woman does not represent me, my family, or anyone else I know personally. She is no more of a "maverick" than any other politician...unless you consider leaving the town of Wasilla in $20,000,000.00 debt. Extrapolate that 700 person town to the scale of the US and all you have is another Bush regime as far as the economy goes.

Vote however you see fit, and I shall vote however I see fit...and anyone else can vote as they wish. Whats right for you, may in fact be wrong for me, and vice versa.

[03_SHOOTER]

Nobody is questioning you ability to vote for whomever you wish, only the wisdom of that choice, especially given the fact that the two available candidates are polar opposites on the issues.

You have repeatedly claimed that you were going to vote for McCain before he selected Gov. Palin, and that it was that choice that made you change your mind. To be honest, I find that to be utterly disingenuous. You say that Gov. Palin doesn't represent you, your family or anyone you know, yet you have consistently failed to elucidate exactly what you find objectionable...WHY?

You then cite the $20 million debt, and claim to have investigated it, yet you apparently failed to note that the debt incurred by the City of Wasilla is due primarily to infrastructure improvements needed because of the increase in population during her tenure. More people means more sewer and water service, more electrical distribution, improved roads, and all of the other things that cities have to provide for their citizens. You also failed to note that the citizens of Wasilla overwhelmingly approved these bond improvements.

The biggest "dead giveaway" however was your "Bush regime" crack. Simply put, that's a dead giveaway that you're a DU, Moron.org, DailyKooks, Huffingbiotch Post, Kool-Aid chugger, and the fact that you're talking about your COMMANDER IN CHIEF is disrespectful on a level that would have resulted in a COURTS MARTIAL back in "the day". Now, if you want to be a good little "Jimmy Jones Kool-Aid chugger", fine, go right ahead and express yourself by voting for a Communists who has made it abundantly clear that he has absolutely NO intention of honoring his Oath of Office, you know, that whole "...support and defend the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES..." part.

[63Bravo]

Nobody is questioning you ability to vote for whomever you wish, only the wisdom of that choice, especially given the fact that the two available candidates are polar opposites on the issues.

You have repeatedly claimed that you were going to vote for McCain before he selected Gov. Palin, and that it was that choice that made you change your mind. To be honest, I find that to be utterly disingenuous. You say that Gov. Palin doesn't represent you, your family or anyone you know, yet you have consistently failed to elucidate exactly what you find objectionable...WHY?

You then cite the $20 million debt, and claim to have investigated it, yet you apparently failed to note that the debt incurred by the City of Wasilla is due primarily to infrastructure improvements needed because of the increase in population during her tenure. More people means more sewer and water service, more electrical distribution, improved roads, and all of the other things that cities have to provide for their citizens. You also failed to note that the citizens of Wasilla overwhelmingly approved these bond improvements.

The biggest "dead giveaway" however was your "Bush regime" crack. Simply put, that's a dead giveaway that you're a DU, Moron.org, DailyKooks, Huffingbiotch Post, Kool-Aid chugger, and the fact that you're talking about your COMMANDER IN CHIEF is disrespectful on a level that would have resulted in a COURTS MARTIAL back in "the day". Now, if you want to be a good little "Jimmy Jones Kool-Aid chugger", fine, go right ahead and express yourself by voting for a Communists who has made it abundantly clear that he has absolutely NO intention of honoring his Oath of Office, you know, that whole "...support and defend the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES..." part.

Wow...3rd grade name calling? Is that what this is going to denigrate to?

For the record, I love my country and will gladly die for it if need be, but I honestly cant stand the majority of people who are in charge of it.

Show me where in the Constitution that it forbids me or anyone else the ability to question my Commander-in-Chief when I dont agree with him or some of his positions.

In place of name calling, why didnt you just ask for my reasons and or positions as to why I think Palin or McCain arent my choice. The answer is simple, you dont care because my choice is not your choice, and hence not the "right" choice as outlined by others.

1) McCains helath care plan is worse than Obamas, plain and simple. For those who have health care paid partially by the companies we work for, his plan will cause our prices to skyrocket...that is a fact. My wife pays $45 a month for our BC/BS insurance...the same coverage I had as a Federal Employee that cost me $280 a month. Under McCains plan, there is the possibility that her company will not be able to afford the price hikes, which in turn will force them to cease paying, thereby forcing our rate up. With a family of 4, I would hate to even think what my wifes coverage would cost out of pocket, but I am damn certain it would be more than $5540.00...$5000 McCain will give us and the $540 a year my wife pays now.

2) McCain has no real grasp of the economic workings of this country. This was proven when he stated the country was in fine economic shape and the next day the market crashed. He may have decades in Washington, but it obviously does not make him perfect. Not saying Obama is either for that matter.

3) His tax breaks to large corporations seems great on the outside, but it is inherently false when you get to the meat of the issue. Companies will continue to leave the US as long as they can get cheaper labor abroad. Giving them even more tax breaks will not keep them here if they pocket more by scrimping in foreign labor.

4) Courting Columbia and calling it an ally in the drug trafficking war is irresponsible and less than honest. Making it out like we have such a strong connection to Columbia for trade...what exactly do we import from Columbia that we cant get from anywhere else? Columbia is the largest illegal importer of cocaine to the US, and between the US and Columbia, we have not made a single inroad to stopping the flow in 20 years.

5) Sarah Palin. By far and away the worst choice of a VP he could have made. She was brought in specifically to garner Hilary votes that wouldnt vote for Obama, and so far, it has back fired. She may be a Governor, but it of the least populated state in the union, and by and large it is out on its own. She does not come across as an "every day person just like us" to me. She comes off more as someone who could not have ever won her seat as Govenor in a state with a wider, more informed population, and that has been born out in her public interviews. She can not speak intelligently on any foreign matters, strategic matters, or economic matters. Simply put, she parrots what ever is quoted to her by her handlers, and it shows.

5) McCain is still leaning hot and heavy toward Iran...and yet we havent finished in either Iraq or Afghanistan as of yet. We need a decisive outline for both of these fronts before we start eye-balling our next objective, IMO.

[SGM]

Well SGM, am I to infer that your underlying meaning is that everyone needs to vote for McCain/Palin? That sure seems like what you are saying, and I for one don't agree, neither with your underlying meaning, or the way in which you expressed it. To tell anyone else of voting age who they should or should not vote for is unacceptable.

I know the post was directed at PhoenixCadet, but its implications are there for anyone else to read as well, which is why I commented.

My "underlying meaning" pretains to the fact that some posters on this site are not of age to vote, thus they can't - so us voters who are of age needs to get out and vote.

Now I don't know who you're going to vote for and frankly I don't care. Just get out and vote!!! If you don't vote - you keep your mouth shut, simple as that.

[63Bravo]

My "underlying meaning" pretains to the fact that some posters on this site are not of age to vote, thus they can't - so us voters who are of age needs to get out and vote.

Now I don't know who you're going to vote for and frankly I don't care. Just get out and vote!!! If you don't vote - you keep your mouth shut, simple as that.

I agree SGM, and as I posted in another post, I mistook part of your post as someone elses, and for that I apologize.

[SGM]

No problem. I followed my feelings and didn't vote for the dangerous one - BHO. As far a tax breaks, I think both of them are full of bull. I voted for McCain because I think he is the cool head, works under pressure and knows how to handle the situation. Also like he said - the office is not the place for OJT. You got to be ready to hit the ground running.

B Hussain Obama is just DANGEROUS!!!! I wouldn't trust that man with a plugged nickel. He's got too much he is hiding. He won't come out and be honest with his back ground. A man who is not open and honest now - do you really think he will be later. God helps us all if he gets elected.

[03_SHOOTER]

Wow...3rd grade name calling? Is that what this is going to denigrate to?

After what you said about your Commander in Chief, you have the temerity to even THINK about playing that silly little game with me? Do NOT go there, you WILL lose!:devil:

For the record, I love my country and will gladly die for it if need be, but I honestly cant stand the majority of people who are in charge of it.

Nobody asked you to like your CoC, or your CiC but you WILL respect it, and him, or you can get out, grow your hair long, and talk trash all day long.

Show me where in the Constitution that it forbids me or anyone else the ability to question my Commander-in-Chief when I dont agree with him or some of his positions.

It's not in the Constitution, it's in the UCMJ. Specifically Articles 88, 92, 94, 104, 117, and 134-12.

In place of name calling, why didnt you just ask for my reasons and or positions as to why I think Palin or McCain arent my choice. The answer is simple, you dont care because my choice is not your choice, and hence not the "right" choice as outlined by others.

You have been asked, repeatedly, and you've consistently ducked.

1) McCains helath care plan is worse than Obamas, plain and simple. For those who have health care paid partially by the companies we work for, his plan will cause our prices to skyrocket...that is a fact. My wife pays $45 a month for our BC/BS insurance...the same coverage I had as a Federal Employee that cost me $280 a month. Under McCains plan, there is the possibility that her company will not be able to afford the price hikes, which in turn will force them to cease paying, thereby forcing our rate up. With a family of 4, I would hate to even think what my wifes coverage would cost out of pocket, but I am damn certain it would be more than $5540.00...$5000 McCain will give us and the $540 a year my wife pays now.

Health care plan? Perhaps you'd care to share with us exactly what part of Article 1 Section 8 of the US Constitution, or any other part thereof, that authorizes the US government to expend the peoples money on "health care"? I don't care whose plan it is, when it comes to "health care", Constitutionally they're WRONG, and that's completely ignoring the fact that ANY "universal health care" program will bankrupt the country. Why do you think Hawaii just abandoned theirs after only a few months?

2) McCain has no real grasp of the economic workings of this country. This was proven when he stated the country was in fine economic shape and the next day the market crashed. He may have decades in Washington, but it obviously does not make him perfect. Not saying Obama is either for that matter.

Ah, so you want to play the strawman game, or you simply weren't paying attention to what McCain said. His statement was "the fundamentals of the economy are fine", and they are. The problem with our economy is the penchant for the government getting involved with it, and interfering in areas that the Constitution does not authorize them to involve themselves in. As for his not knowing much about economics, when you get a room full of PhD economists, and you can never get a simple majority to agree on anything, saying that McCain doesn't understand the economy is a completely ludicrous indictment on it's face, and utterly intellectually dishonest.

For the record, the current mess is a direct result of 1) FDR's "New Deal" (which should have included a HUGE tube of KY jelly for every citizen) which created Fannie Mae, 2) LBJ's "Great Society" (which should have included another tube of KY) which privatized Fannie Mae, and created Freddie Mac and Ginnie Mae, 3) Mr. Peanut further deregulating it and eliminating "red lining", which forced mortgage companies to write mortgages to people that they KNEW couldn't afford them 4) Mr. Bill who even further deregulated it, which gave us ARM's, "interest only" and all of the other "smoke and mirrors" mortgages that collapsed like a house of cards, and all because Barney Frank, and the rest of the Dim's in the House and Senate refused to institute the regulations that McCain and others had been calling for, for YEARS.

3) His tax breaks to large corporations seems great on the outside, but it is inherently false when you get to the meat of the issue. Companies will continue to leave the US as long as they can get cheaper labor abroad. Giving them even more tax breaks will not keep them here if they pocket more by scrimping in foreign labor.

Another strawman. Companies don't go overseas because of labor costs, they go overseas because of crushing tax rates. When the corporate rate in America is 34% and it's only 11% in Ireland, explain why ANY corporation would even consider staying here? Add to that, when all employers are required to pay matching Social Security and all of the other insane confiscatory "taxes" they are required to pay, again, why would ANY major corporation want to stay here?

4) Courting Columbia and calling it an ally in the drug trafficking war is irresponsible and less than honest. Making it out like we have such a strong connection to Columbia for trade...what exactly do we import from Columbia that we cant get from anywhere else? Columbia is the largest illegal importer of cocaine to the US, and between the US and Columbia, we have not made a single inroad to stopping the flow in 20 years.

And this is somehow better than Obama courting Hamas...how? You're just full of strawman arguments.

5) Sarah Palin. By far and away the worst choice of a VP he could have made. She was brought in specifically to garner Hilary votes that wouldnt vote for Obama, and so far, it has back fired. She may be a Governor, but it of the least populated state in the union, and by and large it is out on its own. She does not come across as an "every day person just like us" to me. She comes off more as someone who could not have ever won her seat as Govenor in a state with a wider, more informed population, and that has been born out in her public interviews. She can not speak intelligently on any foreign matters, strategic matters, or economic matters. Simply put, she parrots what ever is quoted to her by her handlers, and it shows.

Of course. The most popular Governor in the entire US, but she shouldn't be there because the populace of Alaska are just a bunch of backward hicks? Are you sure you're not Murtha talking about Pennsylvania? Perhaps you'd better go back and take a look at Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carters "foreign matters", "strategic matters", or "economic matters" experience before they came to office, and they were running for POTUS, not VPOTUS.

No, it seems to me that you are the one parroting what your handlers told you to say, and that you haven't done any actual research into her record.

5) McCain is still leaning hot and heavy toward Iran...and yet we havent finished in either Iraq or Afghanistan as of yet. We need a decisive outline for both of these fronts before we start eye-balling our next objective, IMO.

And WHY NOT? Are they not the primary source of all of the "foreign fighters" that we're facing in Iraq? Is Iran not the primary source of all of the foreign weapons, explosives, and IED's that are coming into Iraq that are killing, maiming, and wounding our own people, and continuing to destabilize the fragile new government? So again, why wouldn't he have a sharp eye on Iran? Oh, and in case you can't read a map, Iran is between Iraq and Afghanistan, which means that 1) it'll be easier to hit from 3 sides simultaneously, and 2) there's no need to put boots on the ground in Iran (other than Special Ops teams), all we have to do is hit a few strategic targets and sew up the Gulf and they're totally hosed.

Oh, that's right, because your boy wants us to cut and run with our tails between our legs, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, and plunging Iraq into another decade of slaughtered millions. Why does that sound familiar? OH YEAH, it's just like the Democraps did in Vietnam, when the Democrat controlled Congress reneged on our Treaty and prevented President Ford from providing the military support that we had promised S. Vietnam which resulted in a loss of the peace that we had won 2 years earlier.

[DaveIn3D]

63bravo,

I highly discourage you from voting against McCain because you do not like Palin. Your one cited example against Palin was a joke. The biggest chunk of the 20 mil debt (which is actually 14 million) was a 13 million sports facility that she put on a ballot and the town overwhlmingly approved. The people of Wasilla created the deficit, not her.

Second, do not think that anything Barry says can be founded in any truth. People are dissing McCain because of his record on many of the issues. They are taking Barry on his word. Why? Because Barry has not been around long enough to have a record!!! We dont know how he stands on any issue because he has never taken a stand on any issue!!

SNOBama is a great orator. He is a half-assed politician. The only reason he has a chance at being Prez is because the media refuses to research him and the dems would vote for a potato before they would vote for any republican. McCain has to actually campaign while Barry just has to show up.

Go ahead and vote for Barry. Do your thing. Give us 4 years of marxism.Just dont be surprised when he dresses your unit up in Polish uniforms and has you attack a radio station.

-3D

[PhoenixCadet]

Because Barry has not been around long enough to have a record!!! We dont know how he stands on any issue because he has never taken a stand on any issue!!

This reminds me of something I heard on Jay Leno (believe it or not):

"When asked what Senator Obama has done since being elected to the senate, he replied, '...run for President'".

With his voting record, and all those "present" votes - it seems to be true.