Debate (SEP 27)

[mtnsldr]

So, what is everyone's impressions of the debate? I kinda felt like there was a bit of teh same old "tired" rhetoric out there. I was suprised to hear the "experts" say it was a better debate than has been seen of late. I guess I didn't get that vibe.

Thoughts?

[Ben Shotalot]

I'm running for President and I won by default. :D

Those two shot at each other and left a lot of holes, but killed no issues.

It would have been better if Obama was waiting at the podium for McCain and Palin showed up in McCain's place! All the while McCain is back in DC trying to hammer out a deal like a statesman should!

That would have been better. She has more street creds than Nobama. And would have looked better for the GOP all around. (You know -Vice Prez steps in when the Potus is busy - that sort of thing.) :p

:recon:

[FeelinFroggy]

I did not see all of the debate. Most of what I did see revolved around the topic of foreign policy, a topic I thought McCain 'had in the bag' beforehand. Although I will go back and view the entire debate, my attention is more turned to the VP Debate in Oct.

[DaveIn3D]

I did like SNOBama's Bracelet gaffe. The "I have one too" statement, then having to look down at it to get the name off of it was hilarious. Why do I have the feeling that he put that bracelet on for the first time that day?

McCain owned on Foreign Policy. SNOBama had no coherant response to anything remotely resembling foreing policy. Being new to politics might be good in the states, but Foreign policy demand experience and McCain owns.

McCain's biggest gaffe was mentioning anything about Global Warming. I dont know if he honestly believes in that B.S. or he made the political decision to jump on the bandwagon to get a few extra votes, but his championing of global warming politics is making me sick. I understand that he made his connect with the republican base by picking Gov. Palin, but he doesnt need to completely desert the conservative base by promoting something that they are overwhelmingly against.

All and all, I say McCain won. SNOBama's inexperience was blatantly clear and it appeared that he is afraid to take a concrete stance on anything. Everything he said could be taken from the democratic talking papers and that just isnt presidential. Interrupting McCain and the moderator multiple times isn't that Presidential either.

-3D

[PaulR]

I did like SNOBama's Bracelet gaffe. The "I have one too" statement, then having to look down at it to get the name off of it was hilarious. Why do I have the feeling that he put that bracelet on for the first time that day?



I laughed at that one too!

I saw his wrist too, but did not see the bracelet. Maybe he forgot to put it on? LOL

All and all/Objectively, I think they came out even. They both had their strengths and weaknesses. With all the hype of McCain working on the economy issue, I expected more of him there. Sen McCain smoked Sen Obama on the foreign policy topics.

[SlightlyCatholic]

I wasn't aware that Obama was on a first-name basis with John McCain, but that "familiarity" didn't seem to go both ways. Obama's go-to phrase of "that's wrong" after McCain said something got a little tiring after a while. But hey, if you can't beat them, might as well annoy the hell out of them when they're trying to speak. One thing that disappointed me was that neither McCain nor Obama really took on the issue of how their prospective presidencies would change given this current fiscal crisis. McCain just talked about cutting spending, and Obama through out some garbled phrases that I think were supposed to suffice as topics he would look at differently...but that was basically it.

I'll be looking forward to the other debates, they should only get better as the weeks go by.

[SGM]

The question about the financial bail out was a complete dance around by both. When ask if they were for it, both never really answered the question, but danced around with so much BS. Had to laugh at that.

Leads me to believe neither one is ready to committe to anything.

[PaulR]

I feel that the reason for Mc Cain's lack of energy at the debate could be for the fact that he is actually working on what is going on in DC. I really liked hearing that he was immediately flying back to DC to resume working on resolving the current issue. The press did not say the same about Obama. That tells me that he is serious about playing a constructive role in the IMMEDIATE needs of our country. Obama's, "I told Congress to give me a call if they need me" bit was a huge turn off for me.

The more I think about it, the more I am beginning to feel that McCain actually took last night's debate. There were a lot of jabs thrown by McCain that caught Obama off guard and that could not be rebuked. Also, I got a kick of the number of times Obama said he agreed with various aspects of McCain's stance!

[SlightlyCatholic]

The more I think about it, the more I am beginning to feel that McCain actually took last night's debate. There were a lot of jabs thrown by McCain that caught Obama off guard and that could not be rebuked. Also, I got a kick of the number of times Obama said he agreed with various aspects of McCain's stance!

Both camps claimed victory for last night's debate, which isn't overly surprising. I felt that McCain was definately on the offensive last night and it seemed to me that his overall goal was to go for the throat. Obama, on the other hand, seemed to try to throw some water on the fire and cool down McCain by stating that he agreed with some of his points. However, Obama strikes me as the kind of person who will agree with you in a room full of people and then as soon as you walk out, he'll start slinging mud. He doesn't seem to want a direct fight (probably why he declined to meet with McCain at any town hall meetings).

[mtnsldr]

The unfortunate thing from my perspective is that I don't think that watching their candidate being outdone in debate will sway any of the dems who said from jumpstreet thet were supporting Obama. Despite whatever happens in the next few months, very few people will be swayed, because the sheeple refuse to actually listen to the information from the candidates, and instead make decisions based on who has a flashy slogan or some other ridiculously inconsequential item.

[SlightlyCatholic]

Well if the governor of California gets elected because he killed a few robots in movies, I guess anything goes. Who needs information when you can have the Governator?

[Ben Shotalot]

I had to watch it again as the first time it was on the kid was screaming and I had to take the other kid home from soccer practice. I missed too much the first time.

However, they both took shots at each other and no one landed a killer round. BUT - Obama showed his ass on foreign policy and dealing with the world. McCain was furious at points but held back.

Apparently, Nobama had a lot of practice on how not to stutter without the teleprompter.

:recon:

[moy3rd]

Well..Overall it was a draw .

I switched channels a couple times & depending which you watched you could get a different perspective. Thats why I looked away & just listened while most of the debate was on,looking back occasionally to see the reaction of the non-speaking opponent. Try it sometime.

CNN ,I think only showed the person speaking most of the time.But Fox kept the cameras on both & you could see the other guys reaction. Obama was well rehearsed,but you could tell he was speaking from what he memorized. McCain seemed to be speaking from experience.

Neither gave a clear,direct answer to economy questions,and I would have to give the edge to the more polished Obama,although McCain kept driving home that we had to do away with earmarks and cut spending. Thats what conservatives want to hear. Obama kept it to tax cuts & increased spending on social programs,thats what liberals wanted to hear.

After that ,I personally feel McCain took control.

He had Obama on the defense the rest of the night. IMO,people don't want to talk with Iran without preconditions,and it seemed McCain got Obama to backpedal,modify his prior statement on that.

McCain had it right on Russia,anyone who was an adult during the cold war had to see that & he talked from experience, Obama looked bad there.

Plus he on many occasions admitted/said,"John is absolutely right".

I think poll wise,forget it,CNN had it Obama 70%..McCain ..30 % and Fox had it McCain 82%..Obama 18%...so both were partisan lies.



It IMO,will come down to little things that voters may not like.

McCain refused to look at Obama & Obama was either laughing like a schoolboy,smirking,trying to interupt or letting anger show in his face while McCain was trying to make a point.

Those are my opinions,yours may differ.

[SGM]

There were a few times BHO tried to interrupt McCain, but he held his ground and drive through the attempts. There wasn't one time I can remember McCain trying to interrupt BHO. I think he held his composure rather well. Will be interesting to see the next round.

[reddog]

That first debate didn't solve anything for me. I don't vote for a person because they're Republican or Democrat, my focus is on whom I believe will lead my Country in a safe and successful manner, keeping 'we the people' in the fore-front of their decisions. It is my opinion that our elected officials in DC have let us down, big time! I also believe that greed is the cause of all our current woes and too many are guilty of thinking what's in it for them. When I look at my President's facial expression, it seems he's looking at others to tell him what to do and that he's at a loss for answers. I just don't see that confident expression anymore. Someone please tell me, he isn't going to listen to these bankers, the greedy ones who put us in this 'jackpot' and hand over our savings to them. Republican or Democrat, Gentlemen, these leaders have failed us...
Easy Brother,
Reddog...

[Spider]

Well if the governor of California gets elected because he killed a few robots in movies, I guess anything goes. Who needs information when you can have the Governator?

http://blogs.pcworld.com/gameon/archives/arnie.bmp
I was elected to lead not read.

He killed more people than robots and of course one big 'ugly motherf**ker'...


Obama kept it to tax cuts & increased spending on social programs,thats what liberals wanted to hear.

Cut taxes AND increase spending? Are not the present economic problems something to do with everybody spending money that actually doesn't exist? Governments around the world are spending, taking on debt can only finance this spending for the short term, eventually those debts are going to need to be serviced and the nation state has basically two ways of servicing them and both of them reduce the wealth of it's citizens. One is of course taxation, by taking an extra penny from the pocket, and the other is increasing the money supply, which reduces the value of all the pennies in the man's pocket.

They can of course pay off debts by printing money. That is why first world governments can borrow at such a low rate, they can always pay it back, but printing money or creating it out of thin air with a computer can cause inflation. If the money supply grows faster than the economy then inflation results this has been going on for a long time, but for the past decade or so Western governments have been particular offensive. Only now is the inflation manifesting in retail goods, but it's been manifesting in certain capital assets for some time, that is just one reason why housing stock has been so overvalued.


There were a few times BHO tried to interrupt McCain, but he held his ground and drive through the attempts. There wasn't one time I can remember McCain trying to interrupt BHO. I think he held his composure rather well. Will be interesting to see the next round.

Maybe that's why he didn't become a barrister even though he had the education, they don't like you to interrupt unless you say 'objection' or something first.

[SlightlyCatholic]

This is the REAL Predator:

http://hereticdhammasangha.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/obama_super_obama.jpg

[Spider]

If he turned up to a debate like that it would be pretty cheap for you not to vote for him! Of course McCain and his running partner could go as "Old-Man and Four Eyed Girl".

[SAC_Cop]

I did like SNOBama's Bracelet gaffe. The "I have one too" statement, then having to look down at it to get the name off of it was hilarious. Why do I have the feeling that he put that bracelet on for the first time that day?

McCain owned on Foreign Policy. SNOBama had no coherant response to anything remotely resembling foreing policy. Being new to politics might be good in the states, but Foreign policy demand experience and McCain owns.

McCain's biggest gaffe was mentioning anything about Global Warming. I dont know if he honestly believes in that B.S. or he made the political decision to jump on the bandwagon to get a few extra votes, but his championing of global warming politics is making me sick. I understand that he made his connect with the republican base by picking Gov. Palin, but he doesnt need to completely desert the conservative base by promoting something that they are overwhelmingly against.

All and all, I say McCain won. SNOBama's inexperience was blatantly clear and it appeared that he is afraid to take a concrete stance on anything. Everything he said could be taken from the democratic talking papers and that just isnt presidential. Interrupting McCain and the moderator multiple times isn't that Presidential either.

-3D


Yes that was priceless, he ate it bad on that one. I think Sen. McCain did very well, to me he was the seasoned teacher showing the pupil how to get it done. In other words obama binladen got schooled and to me obama came off as a bit of smart a**, particularly when he pulled that "I have a bracelet too" stunt and when it backfired his credibility on caring about the troops issues went straight down the crapper. IMHO

[SGM]

B Hussin Obama is about a phoney as a 3 dollar bill. "I have a bracelet too, ah ah" just shows how phones he is. I think this country will be in some serious problems if he is elected.

[Machine]

Well..Overall it was a draw .

Neither gave a clear,direct answer to economy questions,and I would have to give the edge to the more polished Obama,although McCain kept driving home that we had to do away with earmarks and cut spending. Thats what conservatives want to hear. Obama kept it to tax cuts & increased spending on social programs,thats what liberals wanted to hear.


Those are my opinions,yours may differ.


Since we are tossing opinions about, here is mine. Overall, it was a draw, by design. Debates today are not to be about issues. They are popularity contests not much different than the two kids running for president of the student council at any high school in the country.
Neither gave a clear direct answer on the economy, because by his own admission, Juan McCain't doesn't do economics. Cutting earmarks is a good start, but what about the other 99.945% of the grossly bloated federal budget? The NWO Messiah, otherwise known as MR. My wife hates the USA, only wants to control economics through more and more government regulation.
As far as foreign policy, they are both minor leaguers, with one wanting to emulate the failed socialists of Europe, the other all too willing to deliver our sons in flagged draped coffins in the quest to find more people to democratize and set free by force.
In that light, both of them won, and we the people lost.