Save Life in War...

[CAMMMO]

Hi,

Thanks,
CAMMMO

[RogueNavy]

No offense or nothin', buddy...but there's plenty enough Veterans here that truly understand the realities of war. I doubt they need a lecture about it from you.

*EDIT*

Just checked your so-called "site". Why don't you pack up and go pound sand?? Far as I'm concerned, your kind ain't welcome here. Hit the bricks!! I've reported this post. See ya later clown.

[MOM]

CAMMMO, Incorporated is a 501(c)(3) non-profit advocacy group fighting for truthful and equal messaging in U.S. military marketing, advertising and recruiting strategies. CAMMMO focuses on heightening the public’s attention to the use of video games, motorsports and high school and college athletics to misrepresent the fact based realities of life, death or injury in the U.S. military. CAMMMO also seeks to effect a complete disassociation between the U.S. military and grade schools, as well as bring an end to the U.S. military’s relationship with the Boy Scouts of America.

I don't believe your site will go over too well here. To put it mildly.

[RogueNavy]

You're a helluva lot more polite than I was, Mom. I have a sudden and powerful urge to beat the brakes off the jackass who posted that shyte.

[MOM]

CAMMMO also seeks to effect a complete disassociation between the U.S. military and grade schools

I just imagine the same idoits that support this type of stupid organization
are the same that want to promote teaching gay sex ed in kindergarden.

[AFCadetSteel]

The above content is credited to multiple users of Wikipedia.com. To view the source, please click here.

http://www.cammmo.org/geneva_conventions.html

Ooh. A very creditable organization you seem to have.
And they have relations with Code Pink, oh joy. Bet you'll be loved here /sarcasm

[ang1sgt]

Cammo

Hopefully you are a fellow United States Citizen and you are enjoying your freedoms that others have fought for and provided for you. Things like freedom of speech. Do not expect folks here to come running to your site. Don't advertise it either. If you want to discuss it, then please do so and back it up with facts. Don't expect us to believe you or feel bad about our service though, because it will fall on deaf ears.

To those that have reported this post and the other one...I have deleted the one, but I am allowing this one to stand in an attempt to show that there are other points of view. Also, we have had folks complain tongue and cheek about the effectiveness of Moderators. Well folks, Moderators are not here 24/7. We have lives of our own, problems of our own to take care of. One Moderator has just come back from oversea service, and should he not be allowed down time and time with his loved ones?

[RogueNavy]

I'll never bust the Mod's chops, nor will I argue with your decision to allow this seagull to stay. But I will respectfully disagree with the decision.

Keep up the good work.

[SGM]

Since you can't do an intro, just leave. We don't need your kind to tell us about war. Do you realize that soldiers are probably the ones who hate war the most? On your way out you might just thank us Vets for givin it up so you can complain about what ever you want!!

[Desert Sapper]

I like the ... 'I came across a site...'

Nice.

You have my endorsement to remove this 'alternate viewpoint'.

Bottom line: We don't have a draft. We need to recruit for the Army at a minimum. The places this person says we shouldn't be recruiting takes away our greatest recruiting resource and the demographic that is most likely to join.

I know: Let's abandon the military altogether and hold hands with the rest of the world while we sing Kumbaya. After all, there aren't any real threats out there. Just fabrications of the government. The world is peace-loving and friendly. The only reason so many AK-47s (and their variants) are carried in the world is because the US is a violent, dictating aggressor-state. Hani Hanjour and the rest of the 'peace-loving visitors' that 'took the controls' of AA Flight 77 only accidentally crashed it into the Pentagon. Or maybe that didn't happen? Maybe the government invented it all to stir the American people to want to go to war with Al Q and the Taliban in Afghanistan? Give me a freakin' break.

Terminate this joker's account and this thread...that is unless he/she is willing to bring some discussion to the table WITH relevant facts.

[Redleg]

Typical self-serving anti-war site, which is operated by the Soro's left.

Maybe you are Japanese where you field an army only for defense and allow other to fight the good fight in your part of the world?
Mass Marketing, you bet ya. The word is out and anyone who screws with America, especially in our homeland will meet the resolve of our great military.

I realize CAMMO is just doing a pit stop here and trashing up the neighborhood, but if he (she) wished to augment his position kindly stick around.

[mtnsldr]

I could care less about whether he stays or goes, the 1st amendment allows for people to write whatever they want to, and since this is a private website, Grunt or those he allows can delete whatever they want to.

My only gripe would be that this person has yet to adhere to the rules of the forum by filling out his dogtag and providing an introduction...

[Woody]

A debate would be intresting ,but, a link to a site thats anti military really dosent add anything.I dont think anyone wants to recruit anyone who is not expecting to fight .

[MOM]

The biggest issue I have with idiot groups like this, as I said before (well one of the biggtest isseus, as I have several) is the way they bitch about military recruitment in high schools preying on minds too young to make that decision. Then they turn right around and want to cram liberal free sex, free abortion, gay is great crap into their minds. Typical libtards wanting to take things like honor, courage and committment and the pledge of allegiance out completely and spoon feed only socialist gay propaganda to the young minds of the future. They even want to trash the Boy Scouts. Anything to destroy traditional American values.

[SlightlyCatholic]

To those that have reported this post and the other one...I have deleted the one, but I am allowing this one to stand in an attempt to show that there are other points of view. Also, we have had folks complain tongue and cheek about the effectiveness of Moderators. Well folks, Moderators are not here 24/7. We have lives of our own, problems of our own to take care of. One Moderator has just come back from oversea service, and should he not be allowed down time and time with his loved ones?

The fact that alternate viewpoints are allowed to exist here is a huge step forward for this Forum and the Moderator staff. Good for you guys. As far as the effectiveness of Moderators on the forum, things like what you just told us (a member just coming back from overseas service) make a world of difference in the eyes of normal posters. I think if reasons like that had been given sooner, there wouldn't be so much discontent over time lapses in Moderator decisions and spammer management.

[armysc_25b]

<snip> there wouldn't be so much discontent over time lapses in Moderator decisions and spammer management.

As well, just because anyone with a green name signs in, that doesn't mean they have the moderation capability needed to resolve everything. We've gotten spam attacks where they hit every forum here, yet when I came on to clean up I could only remove the posts from the Cadet Forum. I was on last night when these posts were made, yet even if I'd of wanted to delete them, I couldn't since I can't moderate here. We get those days where the mods just don't sign in (apparently I missed the memo where seemingly none of them signed in one weekend? LOL) so when that happens, it does take a little longer than "normal" to play clean-up. I'm willing to bet, though, that none of the mods ignores the forum, they just choose not to be around at all times. Me on the other hand, well, I just kinda lurk since I have nothing better to do...

[BOHICA]

Man, I missed another chew toy? :(

[Saint Marc]

Hmmmm... Well I agree sort of with Cammo and here is why.
1. The recruiters do tend to make it sound like a camping trip and there is a strange slide they use to pitch to the very young kids like scouts and even churches like the Mormons who mutually seem to gravitate to them.

2. Recruiters often do tell kids anything for a contract, I was one of them. The only thing the guy didn't lie about was liberty in Asia:medic::sick:

3. I see too many kids in the military who shouldn't be because of this and too many not who should be.

Personally I believe in a draft system with career officers and NCO's leading it. But the sales pitches with video games I agree are a bit used car sales caliber.
I think the Marines pull-up bar at fairs were the best recruiting tool around and cheap. Plus it encouraged the strong to join.

For the Marines I think the pull-up bar was great.
The Navy? Let the recruiters show the HS guys their senior year their photo collections and the Navy would be forced to double in size to accommodate the volunteers.

The Air Force could show their living standards off and the Army? Well that's the problem, what could the Army use besides a video game? Well video games it is.

[Desert Sapper]

... and the Army? Well that's the problem, what could the Army use besides a video game? Well video games it is.


Yeah, because certainly the Marines and Navy have the market cornered on badass. The 10th Mountain, 82nd, 101st, Ranger Regiment, Delta Force, and Special Forces are all a figment of everyone's imagination.

If nothing else, show off Airborne School, show off Ranger School, show off the schools that the Army can provide to recruits by contract. What other service can do that in the initial enlistment contract.

The Army could show off nearly every cutting edge ground force weapon system there is, and point out that Marines will likely only get those weapon systems second-hand. The Army could set these things up at fairs and other cool gatherings like E3 and sporting events. The Army could have martial arts and tactical action displays at sporting events from Rangers and other elite units.

The Army could have a NASCAR car and sponsor sporting events.

Oh wait, the Army does all of that. So do the other services. The difference is the Army has a volume of personnel that need to get filled in order to accomplish the land-based missions of the DOD. The other services have volumes to fill, but not like the Army.

I agree with your premise, by the way. The thought of majority conscripts and career leadership is great. It isn't entirely practical in a democracy, though, and I doubt we'll ever go back to the mostly fair conscription model we had pre-Vietnam.

[Saint Marc]

Yeah that is why I hate Democracy, it reminds me of communism, I call it mobocracy, mob rule and it usually has leaders like Che and MLK at the head.

I believe in a republican system much like the founders set up and my parents generation destroyed.

No the Army has elite units, but they don't send those guys out to recruit guys from high schools.

The Army is full of rules, you can get busted in the Army for having sex. You can't drink on a deployment or in the field. If an Army recruited busted out an album of shore leave in Thailand he'd get put in prison or something.

I'm saying, the Army has an ass load of rules and a good boy image to maintain. Navy and Marines, they have no shame in their game.

[armysc_25b]

The Army is full of rules, you can get busted in the Army for having sex. You can't drink on a deployment or in the field. If an Army recruited busted out an album of shore leave in Thailand he'd get put in prison or something.

Uniform Code of Military Justice. Those same rules that apply to us apply around the service. Some rules are enforced moreso than others, sadly. Depends on the command mostly it seems.

[Desert Sapper]

No the Army has elite units, but they don't send those guys out to recruit guys from high schools.

We sure as hell do. Send them to high schools, gatherings, sporting events, you name it. We actually do a decent job recruiting for the elite side of the Army and for the Infantry-type units. It's all the other things that make up the majority of the Army that still have to get filled that the USAF and Navy steal away, because those kids don't want to get hurt. ;)

The Army is full of rules, you can get busted in the Army for having sex. You can't drink on a deployment or in the field. If an Army recruited busted out an album of shore leave in Thailand he'd get put in prison or something.

I'm saying, the Army has an ass load of rules and a good boy image to maintain. Navy and Marines, they have no shame in their game.

Hate to break it to you, but the rules and regulations are the same for every service wherever you go. An Army Soldier can do the same jacked up stuff in the Philippines and Thailand that a Marine can, and a Marine or Sailor can get his ass handed to him for violating GO 1 in Iraq or Afghanistan. Those aren't service-specific rules.

[Saint Marc]

True, but I think whoring is not only expected, but promoted in the Navy when I was in anyway.

I think the Army needs to raise standards for recruitment and then lessen the tension on the choke chain once the soldiers are bonafide.

[DSEddie]

Yeah, because certainly the Marines and Navy have the market cornered on badass. The 10th Mountain, 82nd, 101st, Ranger Regiment, Delta Force, and Special Forces are all a figment of everyone's imagination.

You forgot 3rd ID in your list. We are the Iron Fist of the 18th Airborne Corps and have a long heritage of badassness. :D

[Saint Marc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBtL3NIcAvU

[Saint Marc]

Here is a video to bring things back into perspective on the peace side.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBtL3NIcAvU

[Desert Sapper]

You forgot 3rd ID in your list. We are the Iron Fist of the 18th Airborne Corps and have a long heritage of badassness. :D

Damn skippy, Marne warrior! Matter of fact, the first MOH awardee from any service in the GWOT was none other than SFC Paul Ray Smith, a Combat Engineer Soldier from the Rock of the Marne.

I would never intentionally leave out the broken TV set from my ramblings. A thousand apologies. ;)

[Redleg]

Damn skippy, Marne warrior! Matter of fact, the first MOH awardee from any service in the GWOT was none other than SFC Paul Ray Smith, a Combat Engineer Soldier from the Rock of the Marne.

I would never intentionally leave out the broken TV set from my ramblings. A thousand apologies. ;)

Er....you might not want to leave out this group of ruffnecks.;)

http://www.173abnbde.setaf.army.mil/units.htm

[Desert Sapper]

Er....you might not want to leave out this group of ruffnecks.;)

http://www.173abnbde.setaf.army.mil/units.htm

I wasn't dropping down to the BDE level, but you're right. If I include the Ranger Regiment, I better name the separate brigades. Yes, the 173rd is badass. So is the 3rd ACR (Patton's original 3rd). For that matter, the 2nd ACR is kickass. I left out 1st Cav and 1 ID. And I left out 2 ID and 4 ID and 25th ID. But in the beginning I was just aiming at specialists - Airborne, Air Assault, Mountain, Ranger, etc.

Bottom line is that we have the most awesome Army in the world, and it has a very large personnel fill requirement, much larger than any of the other services, and much harder to fill. The Army, after all, has borne the brunt of the responsibility for the War in Iraq and Afghanistan and the brunt of the casualties.

The tough guy that wants to go fight as infantry isn't hard to get to join. It's the admin specialist, the legal clerk, the cook. They all want to serve, but don't want to get hurt. The Navy and USAF provide the best opportunity to do so. And the USMC just has a dramatically (we'll say 'Corps sized') smaller personnel requirement.

I'll say it again and take flak -- the USMC needs to fall under the Army as the elite amphibious corps, once we all go full purple. It is the best of all worlds. The Marine Corps could not only continue to maintain its identity and elite nature. It could recruit NCOs and officers from the Active Army more easily. It would benefit greatly from a logistical perspective. And the Army would gain better C2 over an important asset. Everybody wins. :D

[Saint Marc]

I'll say it again and take flak -- the USMC needs to fall under the Army as the elite amphibious corps, once we all go full purple. It is the best of all worlds. The Marine Corps could not only continue to maintain its identity and elite nature. It could recruit NCOs and officers from the Active Army more easily. It would benefit greatly from a logistical perspective. And the Army would gain better C2 over an important asset. Everybody wins.
Nuts........!

[dukesix]

Believe it or not...this has been discussed before ( the elimination, merging, or 'watering down' of the Marine Corps) by the toads in the Pentagon...years ago....Harry Truman, in particular, wanted to ban the Corps altogether (as did Eleanor Roosevelt). Many people march on Washington D.C. for various causes.....but I suspect that if the Corps were to be 'overhauled' in any way...you wouldn't see a 'march'....you'd see an outright seige.

Dukesix

P.S. Good to see you back Saint Marc!

[Saint Marc]

We all need to get together Duke, when this economy improves maybe we can all meet up.
Yeah Truman was a tool for the Reds, great WW1 soldier, absolute idiot for a president. Elenore Roosevelt was a Fabian Socialist like Sarah Lister and ironically both hated the Marines because feminists hate rough tough violent strong willed men especially in groups.

The USMC is the last vanguard of the Constitution and should the day come I think we can count on the USMC to do the right thing.
I was very impressed by the USMC brass standing tall to Rummy. THat took guts and ended careers.