Greenville Ohio NJROTC Website

[cadet-jv]

Hello, I am currently working on the website for my NJROTC program here in Ohio. It is almost complete and would like for everyone to check it out and tell me if something is wrong, if your having troubles, or if you have ideas to make it better! The URL is http://njrotc.novahost.org. I would very much love everyones feedback :)

[SlightlyCatholic]

Your Weapons Officer is a c/CPO but the insignia on the top left is for c/SCPO...same with your Marksmanship Commander. Your Orienteering Commander is a c/PO1 but there is c/CPO insignia next to his picture. A few of your Team Commanders look like they're missing rank insignia on their covers as well. Your XO also looks like he's wearing two bars but you have him as a c/LT.

Just make sure the rank (or rate, as appropriate), titles, and insignia match up. I don't mean to nitpick, but it really is all in the details and your website may be the first impression that someone has of your unit.

[13B_Warrior]

Aside from some of the smaller details that the resident Padre mentioned, your site looks great.

One side note: Medals and their corrosponding ribbons should not be worn at the same time. Just a tip to pass to your fellow cadets.

Another side note: If you're not a Navy lieutenant, or a Marine captain, you need to consider changing your avatar to reflect your cadet rank. There's a big difference between a NJROTC c/LT and a military O-3.

King of Battle
13B

[cadet-jv]

Thanks for the nitpicking, we just had promotions so I missed ranking them appropriately. Either way, they are fixed and our XO is a C/LT it's just the photo. Yes, we are trying to use the site a a recruiting method because of our dangerously low numbers last school year.

And we have had a long discussion on the medals and ribbons issue.. but our last CO made it so we could wear both, so of course everybody did.

And yes, I do know difference between rotc and actual miliary. I am new to posting in this forum so I have been told and I have fixed this.

[Psybadek]

the website looks really good. One of the best looking ones I've seen so far. Keep up the good work!

[cadet-jv]

the website looks really good. One of the best looking ones I've seen so far. Keep up the good work!

Thank you very much, I've been working for about 3 months on it by myself.

On the matter of the ribbons and medals issue the field manual says
"No more than 3 medals may be worn in each row side-by-side, or 5 medals when overlapping, in addition to its corresponding ribbon, if any." page 1-39

[Billyd]

Thank you very much, I've been working for about 3 months on it by myself.

On the matter of the ribbons and medals issue the field manual says
"No more than 3 medals may be worn in each row side-by-side, or 5 medals when overlapping, in addition to its corresponding ribbon, if any." page 1-39


And what "field manual" is that?

[cadet-jv]

And what "field manual" is that?

That is straight out of the NJROTC Cadet Field Manual.

[Billyd]

Is that a local directive or one published by the USN? Learn very quickly that unless it is backed by a OFFICIAL directive put out by your sponsoring service, it doesn't hold very much weight here.

[cadet-jv]

The NJROTC cadet field manual is the official manual for the NJROTC. Every cadet in every area across the nation has had or seen this book most likely.. or they should of.

[Psybadek]

Is that a local directive or one published by the USN? Learn very quickly that unless it is backed by a OFFICIAL directive put out by your sponsoring service, it doesn't hold very much weight here.

the cadet field manual is issued to all NJROTC units and it is the same amongst all NJROTC units.

This is the cadet field manual

http://www.amazon.com/Njrotc-Manual-Reserve-Officers-Training/dp/B000Q1OC0M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1244215273&sr=1-1

[Billyd]

You are missing the point. As you can see, I am NOT associated with NJROTC, I do, however, know that OFFICIAL publications are assigned a publication number that allows one to acquire that publication to persue for one's self what it states and does not state. And instructions, manuals, and pamphlets developed at the local level regarding the running of a program, will have a reference to the GOVERNING DIRECTIVE from the parent service.

In other words, AFJROTC uniform guidance references AFI 36-2903 Dress and Appearance of Air Force Personnel.

So, once again, I ask you, what is the governing directive?

[cadet-jv]

The quote I mentioned earlier was in the paragraph from chapter 1 NJROTC Uniform Regulations, under unit 1-8 Awards and Decoration, C. NJROTC Medals.

[Billyd]

That is straight out of the NJROTC Cadet Field Manual.

The quote I mentioned earlier was in the paragraph from chapter 1 NJROTC Uniform Regulations, under unit 1-8 Awards and Decoration, C. NJROTC Medals.

So, which is it? The NJROTC Cadet Field Manual or the NJROTC Uniform Regulation? See the discrepancy here? And when posting links to publications being used as a reference, it is most appreciated to provide a link to one that I can actually read and not have to purchase to do so.

Also, I have PMd you twice about your signature. It needs to be changed NOW.

[cadet-jv]

It is the same exact book, I am pointing out the exact page it is on.
If you really want the full title it its

Naval Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps (NJROTC) Cadet Field Manual, Chapter 1 NJROTC Uniform Regulations, Unit 1-8 Awards and Decoration, C. NJROTC Medals. "No more than 3 medals may be worn in each row side-by-side, or 5 medals when overlapping, in addition to its corresponding ribbon, if any."

This is the same book I've been talking about for the last few posts.

[Billyd]

You're still missing the point. I can't follow the provided link and read the reference for myself. I don't really care what the full title is. Your NJROTC uniform regulation MUST reference the regulation that covers the dress and appearance of Naval personnel. That is the GOVERNING DIRECTIVE. You, as a cadet officer, should know that. You are the one that at some point will be asked WHY or HOW something is done and you MUST be able to reference the regulation that covers that subject. You are refering to wear of awards on a Navy uniform, therefore NAVPERS 15665I is what applies.

[C/ZOOMIE]

Also, does your Unit happen to go by U.S. Navy uniform and grooming standards? This is in referance to your unit CO who as mentioned before is also wearing Medals with ribbons..

[skf_atc]

Its US Navy Uniform Regulations.

http://www.npc.navy.mil/CommandSupport/USNavyUniforms/UniformRegulations

Took me 2 seconds on Google. Its the same thing.
Just like the Sea Cadets, the NSCC uniform regs were for cadet specific things, but we always fell back on USN Uniform Regs for general guidance.

[cadet-jv]

Ok, I don't even know why we are even having this conversation. It was directed towards fellow NJROTC cadets who should know this already.

[Psybadek]

For NJROTC it's a lot harder to explain the regulations because we don't go by Navy Uniform regulations. NJROTC goes by the Cadet Field Manual and the SNSI. I know at one time I've seen the cadet field manual online and I could show you the regulations but I cannot find it anymore, and I don't have mine anymore (it's been 6 years since I've been in NJROTC so give me a little slack) and I can't scan it for you guys either. Unlike other JROTC programs, the SNSI has a lot of say on a lot of uniform regulations i.e. how the ribbons can be displayed that are non njrotc ribbons. He/She can also say whether or not you can for instance wear the ribbon and medal of awards that offer both at the same time.

It seems weird and I understand where you come from when you want to see regulation about it. The simple fact is, we don't follow the Navy, NROTC, or NSCC regulations. We follow what is in the NJROTC Cadet Field Manual and SNSI instruction.

[cadet-jv]

Exactly, the SNSI is final say in everything. Now grant it our staff members have a lot of say as well but we try to base our unit directly from the field manual or from other local units.

[C/CLN]

so in njrotc there is no absolute authority that dictates what everyone in every unit must look like, and the snsi has final say over what his cadets look like? that is weird indeed.

[cadet-jv]

Well when you put it that way it sounds bad, but we are almost exactly the same except for those little nitpick things such as whether or not you should wear ribbons with the medals, ect...

[Psybadek]

so in njrotc there is no absolute authority that dictates what everyone in every unit must look like, and the snsi has final say over what his cadets look like? that is weird indeed.

There is, all that is covered in the Cadet Field Manual. We have requirements for hair length, piercings, jewelry, facial hair ect. Those are in the manual, but there are things that the SNSI has his/her own discretion on. If you look at Navy regulations you would notice similarities. But we don't go by Navy regulations. That's why we have a Cadet Field Manual (The Orange Book if you will.) It tells us a lot as far as grooming and placement of rank, ribbons ect. But it also states for certain thing Area Manager or SNSI discretion

Edit: There are also differences. Our uniforms aren't the same as the Navy's. The Winter Blues and Working Khaki's are the closest in similarity. We don't follow the same insignia placements (and of course we don't have sew on ranks either or epaulets.) So we do have differences. Now I can nit pick with all JROTC, I know for a fact i've seen AFJROTC cadet's wearing medals and their corresponding ribbons at the same time.

[skf_atc]

Wow.. This one opened my eyes a bit.

[Billyd]

I know for a fact i've seen AFJROTC cadet's wearing medals and their corresponding ribbons at the same time.

Just because you have seen it, doesn't make it correct.

[DSEddie]

I have seen basic trainees wear their US Flag upside down, trousers unbloused, laces hanging, PT shirt untucked and flowing in the breeze, sagging their PT pants, etc. None of those soldiers were within the standards of AR 670-1. Seeing something does not make it correct. Finding the standard within the governing regulation makes it correct.

[Psybadek]

Just because you have seen it, doesn't make it correct.

I know that, it was more trying to point it out to the AFJROTC cadet who was saying we were wearing out medals and ribbons wrong when in fact we aren't.

[cadet-jv]

It all depends on witch area you are in when it comes to JROTC. Mainly because if you don't go to nationals the only units you see are those 60 somthing in your area, but normally only like 20 units participate in competitions. So there isn't a lot of different point of views going on.

[C/CLN]

There is, all that is covered in the Cadet Field Manual. We have requirements for hair length, piercings, jewelry, facial hair ect. Those are in the manual, but there are things that the SNSI has his/her own discretion on. If you look at Navy regulations you would notice similarities. But we don't go by Navy regulations. That's why we have a Cadet Field Manual (The Orange Book if you will.) It tells us a lot as far as grooming and placement of rank, ribbons ect. But it also states for certain thing Area Manager or SNSI discretion

Edit: There are also differences. Our uniforms aren't the same as the Navy's. The Winter Blues and Working Khaki's are the closest in similarity. We don't follow the same insignia placements (and of course we don't have sew on ranks either or epaulets.) So we do have differences. Now I can nit pick with all JROTC, I know for a fact i've seen AFJROTC cadet's wearing medals and their corresponding ribbons at the same time.
Because in AFJROTC, you are supposed to wear medals with ribbons. Never have I ever seen someone who did not, even in pictures online, nor have I in either of the two Units I have been in. We pretty much follow the AF regulations, for the most part. Obviously Cadet Enlisted wear collar insignia though, but Cadet Officers wear the same shoulder loops, just a different color and embroidery.
Ribbon placement on the shirt and service coat are the same, medal placement on the service coat is the same (although it is rare to see an active duty Airman wearing his medals on the service coat), nametag placement is the same, badge spacing is the same, ropes are the same but they are also very rare in the active duty AF as well. AF doesn't wear medals on the shirt unless it is being pinned on at an awards ceremony.

[Psybadek]

Yeah, I didn't know the AFJROTC regulation, it might be a AJROTC regulation where you can only wear the ribbon or medal. I know there are many differences in regulation between the Navy and NJROTC (i.e. ribbon, rank placements, on the working khaki's we don't wear ribbons, but active duty Navy personnel do wear ribbons on their khaki's.)

[Drill for life]

Great site but why are some cadets wearing a AJROTC Superior Cadet Medal ribbon? I couldn't find your SNSI or NSI on the website either, where are they?

[Psybadek]

They are on there. One is a Captain and the other is a Petty Officer First Class. Also, I've seen no cadet's wearing that ribbon

[cadet-jv]

Great site but why are some cadets wearing a AJROTC Superior Cadet Medal ribbon? I couldn't find your SNSI or NSI on the website either, where are they?

Yea i see that, but for us it was a competition ribbon from 4 years ago, my freshmen year, they are the only ones who haven't lost or had it get broken. I didn't really feel like listing the ribbon as a competition ribbon on the site because only 2 people have it left in our unit.

[WWW]

You are refering to wear of awards on a Navy uniform, therefore NAVPERS 15665I is what applies.

NJROTC Cadet Field Manual (6th Edition)
NAVEDTRA 37116-F

Chapter 1 NJROTC Uniform Regulations

Section 1-1, Paragraph c, Page 1-2
"The uniform worn by the Naval Junior ROTC cadet is the same, with certain exceptions, as that worn by active duty Navy personnel."

Section 1-8, Paragraph c, Page 1-39
"No more than 3 medals may be worn in each row side-by-side, or 5 medals when overlapping, in addition to its corresponding ribbon, if any."

[skf_atc]

Thank you for the reference.
Every JROTC has some kind of governing publication from the parent service.