There is a new JROTC community in town!

[C/SSGT Seifer]

You all know NHSDC (Drill Nationals.) Well now they came up with their own online community. They have every high school who has ever attended registered there. I just joined and it looks pretty cool. Unfortunately it is still new and has few members. Why not go there and check it out? The website is
http://drillnation.net
Hope to see you there soon, my nickname on that site is Seifer93 if you would like to add me to your friend's list.

[Drill for life]

I am already on. I hate it it is so horrible. Everyone on that forum put down Grunts, all they care about is Drill. Grunts is more than that. It is a place where you can go to talk to friends, to get advice and just shoot the breeze(with proper grammar and spelling and without violating CPP).

[armysc_25b]

I signed into the site (their's) for the first time since I registered, and read the thread specifically putting down our site. Before reading that thread, everyone that is in there "whining" (putting it kindly) was just a "handle" which portrayed an online identity. Now, because of their lack of standard to protect the identity of minors in today's world, I have names of everyone. Point A: They could care less whether or not people get your name, which to me is kinda important... I don't like everyone and their mother to have access to my identity.

I like how most everyone who has posted in that thread is an "Advanced Member" of their forums. Seems to me they got their priorities straight...

Next, I'd like to thank a David Bauer (who on his profile picture is seen bent over with his rear end to the camera... great way to show your a...) for mentioning the comments of myself and Soccermark23 in their thread:
Apparently it is wrong to quote your instructor because that means you claim the rank that your instructor has; here is a link Grunts craziness The thread also degrades "jrotc kids" on the second page. This is so amazing!!!
The thread they are alluding to was in no way stating that I was telling Drill that he was claiming the rank of his instructor, I merely told him to not throw "degrading" comments about commissioned officers that he's not in a position to make (and should that be seen as someone not being able to quote their instructors, well that's their problem).

And lastly, I'd like to acknowledge their lack of respect for someone I have respect for, BillyD. Ya, he may come across as tough sometimes, but the longer I've been in these forums the more I understand him and his methods.

All I have left to say is this: That place isn't worth the time and effort of registering in my overrated opinion. Step lightly, and whatever you do, don't grace their forums with a positive opinion of the Grunt Forum (hence the reason I don't publicly shoot them all down there).

[Drill for life]

Exactly...Let them talk about us and let us just keep our mouths shut. Let's not sink down to there level. I have found some good info on there though. I just don't like the layout or the color scheme(makes it look like a little kid did it).

I am done with this thread there is no more I need to add(or want to).

I just want to say some of the people on that forum are very rude and they really need to calm down. There is more to life than Drill(hahaha look at my name..Drill for life)

Drill for life out

I will report back if needed.

[army_grunt_11B]

{Deep Drill Sgt like Voice}

You're in the Army now, we know everything {End Deep Drill Sgt Like Voice}

Sorry, something my DS told me after I experesed not wanting to shout out my SSN to everyone in my Platoon. ;)

[armysc_25b]

I don't know about you, but I remember signing a couple Privacy Act statements for my NCO's who were in charge of me since they'd have access to personal info such as my SSN.

[army_grunt_11B]

I don't but Im the type of person, if you want my idenity, you can have it, I have no money in the bank, my credit is crap, and have no credit cards, so have fun. Thats how I go by, so it doesn't bother me, and I joke about it all the time, so I probably signed it but didn't read it.

[army_grunt_11B]

Oh and I appologize if you took that personal, it was a huge sarcastic joke.

[armysc_25b]

I didn't, I've learned to pick up on online sarcasm.

[army_grunt_11B]

Ok, sorry from your response I couldn't tell, but back on topic, I took a quick gander at that site, and let me just say wow. I have a feeling all most all of the people on thier saying they are enlisted in the military, have never stepped foot in IET and are all talk, they are so disrespectful to each other, its amazing.

[-BuLL-]

I love how they say this site is not the right environment to learn. Really, I've learned a whole hell of a lot here and am pretty proud to be a member. I laugh at the ones that have been banned. I liked the post that said you have to check google first. Like it's that hard to type something into google. It's more of a hassle to come here, log on, and then start and post a topic.

[army_grunt_11B]

Yea no doubt, I mean, I get annoyed at points with this forum on the fact that some see fit to spill there whole life story on here, and I'm sorry, but everyone has thier own problems get over it. But other than that this site, is 900% better than their site, and its funny how most of the people who say they hated the grammar thing, are in College, jesus christ, you practice proper grammar, why not try and improve your self, not make your self dumber by using "chat" speek.

[-BuLL-]

The standards on this forum have made me watch my grammar and spelling everywhere I post. I even get pissed at people on Facebook.

[Drill Aerobatica]

hello,

I just want to say a couple of things.


First off:

I have been to the Drill Nation site, and I will say one thing, both sites have to different agendas. One is for the fast growing world of JROTC/ROTC/Professional Drill, while one is for the Military in general (this section obviously for JROTC/ROTC).

Second:

I find this humorous, both site saying the EXACT same thing,which is (in a nutshell):

"Wow, this site is horrible. Our site isn't like that, our site builds friendships,etc. Our site doesn't bash other sites,but this site is just the root of all evil"

I find it this is as a contradiction,especially on this site due to the fact that this topic is rather new. If it was the other way around, I would say DN is in contradiction.


3rd.

Most of those guys who have talked badly about this site are former members of this site and are also well known names in the Drill world. The tag "advance member" is just a post rank, a newbie like me can have that tag in a couple of dedicated posts.There is no real meaning in it. Also one of the guys who complains about grammar is a Journalist major who is VERY well spoken,and highly intelligent. Making a remark about grammar, is in my opinion, not a valid argument.



Just thought I clear some air out between this. Both sites are "doing there things" and also have there right to express their opinions,but it's comical seeing two sites say stuff about each other, when both sites have two different purposes.



-Drill Aerobatics
Majoring in Drilosophy
Minoring in Drill Education

[Drillucination]

You guys have obviously confused Drill Nation forums from the Drillers Consortium forums.

[Drill Aerobatica]

not to mention the people who said those remarks about this site are on the Drillers Consortium, a site that has ANOTHER agenda even when it comes to drill in itself(more focused on solo drill and Professional Drill meets).

[armysc_25b]

NOTE: Before you read on, realize this is not meant as a personal attack in any way, and if anyone might perceive it as such, please PM me versus create a public issue over it.

You guys have obviously confused Drill Nation forums from the Drillers Consortium forums.

I personally haven't. I've never been to Driller's Consortium, whereas I have seen Drill Nation. It is founded with good intent, I will give it that. And the forum community could be a positive thing. But when there are posts that are "stolen" from our site, then people proceed to negatively comment because it came from here, or speak negatively of this forum because of their prior experiences with the forum, that's where I have an issue.

I had been a member of this forum for about a month, when a member with the name "NewGuardAmerica" came in and had a conflict with BillyD. I'm not going to go into it, those that remember it and know more can. Point being though that there are people who have issues with how business is done here, and have tried to ruffle feathers. In the end though, I think I remember both parties either apologizing for their misunderstandings or at least coming to terms with one another.

I also remember JManOfFL, a name that jumped out at me while I was reading the Grunts thread at Drill Nation. I personally don't remember there being issues between him and others on the forum, unless it was something that happened before I became a moderator or it was done behind the scenes (like in a Private Message).

I come across as harsh at times, as well as stern. I'm hard stuck on my opinions, and when someone says something that irks me, I let them know. I could go into a long rant here, which I started to, but I'll leave it at this. As soon as they start promoting in my MOS again, I'll be promoted to SGT. As it stands, I am already directly responsible for 2 Soldiers, and when at work the overall well-being of the facility we work in (in the case of Power and A/C issues, and any user issues being a helpdesk). I'm known as stern, but a very approachable guy. All in all, I look out for myself, and those I work with, and I do everything I can to better myself (be it school or Army training). I then reflect my values and work ethic to those junior to me, to give them a positive image to work towards.

[army_grunt_11B]

If you are refering to the remarks I made about your site, I simply stated, that in refering to the people who stated they were Enlisted into our Armed Forces, acting like... need I say it.. disrespectful hoodlums, when in IET, at least I was, at Ft. Benning, we are to uphold the respect of all the Armed Forces at all times, presenting ourselfs in a military manner to all, online or offline. I know for a fact that, every Service Member on here and every one in my Unit, would never act disrespectful towards someone in a manner a few of the people on the Drill Nation Site have, so yes, I do doubt the credibilty of some of the people on your site, but other than that I think both Grunts and Drill Nation, both serve there own purpose, and hopefully, we can get past these first few bumps in the road, and move on to be both rewarding sites for the Cadets.

[C/SSGT Seifer]

After being on there for a few days I have seen that there is no real friendship there. However, I think that Drill Nation is a bit more informative due to the fact that they have cadet resource center. In the center they have drill manuals, websites where you may buy uniforms, and other such sites. In order to get Drill Nation a bit friendlier I am trying to get some of my JROTC buddies to join. Maybe that way it will lighten up the place a bit. I have to say though, this forum has been dying out slowly. There is a very limited number of active member. If you look at the bottom of the Forum homepage it says that the most people ever online at the same time is 64... That isn't much.

[army_grunt_11B]

Have you tried brining new faces to grunts? Can't really complain about low members if you don't try and bring new people in.

[Drill Aerobatica]

After being on there for a few days I have seen that there is no real friendship there. .
I'm sorry, but that is very incorrect. I'm friends with most of the people on the site, they are really passionate about drill. Just like how some of the members are passionate about Grunts.

It might not seem like a friendly or active place,but the fact of the matter is that, Drill Nation is a "10 year project" deal, something similar to how Playstation 3 is suppose to be a "10 year project". What I mean by that is that over time Drill Nation will get larger and more active, it's just going to take time.

Give the DN another go if you like that site, then you could maybe give the Drillers Consortium a go.;):p

[C/SSGT Seifer]

I'm sorry, but that is very incorrect. I'm friends with most of the people on the site, they are really passionate about drill. Just like how some of the members are passionate about Grunts.

It might not seem like a friendly or active place,but the fact of the matter is that, Drill Nation is a "10 year project" deal, something similar to how Playstation 3 is suppose to be a "10 year project". What I mean by that is that over time Drill Nation will get larger and more active, it's just going to take time.

Give the DN another go if you like that site, then you could maybe give the Drillers Consortium a go.;):p

I understand that this is an on going project and that is why I am trying to get some of my friends to join. However, I don't seem to find that the website is as open and friendly as this website. For example, excuse me Drill For Life, you won't find anyone posting their personal problems like the possible pregnancy of an ex or asking for prayer for their sick aunt. I find it kind of funny that my mentioning of a new JROTC site has turned in to this giant Drill Nation bashing thread.

[WHS Drill 07]

For example, excuse me Drill For Life, you won't find anyone posting their personal problems like the possible pregnancy of an ex or asking for prayer for their sick aunt.

Cadet SSGT,

I have been on several Online Drill forums for just about 6 years now. I am VERY close friends with several members on those forums, including "NewGuardAmerica" that "army_grunt_11b" spoke of, and I have gone to all of them for emotional support. I can even say that we have gone as far to give each other FINANCIAL support. Yes, a group of teenagers were giving each other financial help when it was needed, without any asking for payback. Why? Because we love each other. And I sincerely mean that. No matter how often we argue or poke fun at each other as one of your posters pointed out, when it comes down to crunch time, we'll be there for each other each time, every time, without question.

My senior year I was selected to compete at NHSDTC as a masters level soloist, the first from my school and district. 43 days before competition my instructors changed their minds about letting us take our rifles. I posted on the forum at that time (A forum that no longer exists, but it was the same group of guys) and within 4 hours I had seven offers to be lent rifles and/or financial donations for rifles.

Do you still think we aren't close? I trust everyone of those guys entirely. Including the ones I don't get along with. There is no concern for identities being given out because we know they are all stand up people that we can trust, even if we joke that they aren't.

And I think your comment about Dave Bauer says a lot about the type of person you are Army_Grunt_11B. To judge someone without talking to them or meeting them, to me it seems rather, shallow? Just an observation though. Please, prove me wrong.

I hope you all will consider giving Drill Nation as well as The Drillers Consortium a chance. They are fantastic resources for young drillers with the best drill advice in the world.

God Bless,
Robert Carter.

[army_grunt_11B]

Um, excuse me, but I didn't say any names when I posted. Might wanna double check ;):D
All I said was that I thought some of your members were disrespectful in a manner they shouldn't have been, I have never said anynames.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

You know you have no life when everything you do involves drill. :lookaround:

[C/SSGT Seifer]

You know you have no life when everything you do involves drill. :lookaround:

Unfortunately I am that guy. Drill consumes my life. Practice before school, practice after school, and sometime practice on Saturday.

[armysc_25b]

Mr. Carter,

I've promised elsewhere that I would not get into a war of words with anyone over this situation, and I will stick to my word. But I do have one thing to say.

I made my sarcastic comment about Dave Bauer, because in my personal opinion, for being a professional type structure, the picture I mentioned seemed childish. I tried to clear up any misunderstanding about comments made in the thread he mentioned in my post as well.

I also brought up past incidents where users have had "rough" moments in the forum for whatever reason. I didn't comment on them, because I'm not aware of the details behind them. But it seemed to me that the individuals on DrillNATION that were most critical about this site were the ones that had a rough time here.

I got an e-mail today from the site staff for DN asking my opinion about comments I posted in the DN forums about the site's rollout, which I fully explained and stated that I personally think that the longer the site goes the better it can be.

I was harsh in my first post in this thread, based on observations of several posts in a thread on DN, and if that can be taken as starting a "flame war", then so be it.

[Drill Aerobatica]

You know you have no life when everything you do involves drill. :lookaround:

excuse me?lol.

Drill is a stress reliever for many people....including me.

[army_grunt_11B]

Im not a mod on here, and of no real importance, but please be advised. disregard buffalo's remark,

PM imbound buffalo

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

I love it when people can't take things in jest.

I'm the Executive Officer of my Drill Team, however, I really do not center my life around "left, face", "right, face", and "about, face". :p

I apologize for any confusion that my comment may have caused. :)

[Drill Aerobatica]

I love it when people can't take things in jest.

I'm the Executive Officer of my Drill Team, however, I really do not center my life around "left, face", "right, face", and "about, face". :p

I apologize for any confusion that my comment may have caused. :)

it's okay. I understood your comment. My comment was in jest too:D

[TruBlu]

OK I see where this is going (and has gone) and I've sat on the side line following both 'conversations' on both boards. I just want to clarify something for everyone: Grunt's Forum and Drill Nation have two completely different objectives with similar elements.

Grunt's Forum is a place where enthusiasts, cadets, current servicemen, and past servicemen alike come and discuss military related topics, politics, specific cadet programs, and a social networking element that isn't always related to the military. Grunt's Forum is a place where proper grammar and sentence structure is key because we (and by we I mean all members who effectively communicate with each other here on a day-to-day basis) feel that certain standards must always be met for proper communication.

Drill Nation is a place where drill enthusiasts, and much of the same individuals that compose Grunt's Forum body, go to discuss drill and the competitive side of cadet programs. Like Grunt's Forum, there is also a social networking environment not directly related to the military or cadet programs. As for the composition of posts, they (and by they I mean those who participate on the Drill Nation board on a day-to-day basis) prefer to let spelling and structure take a back seat to what is actually being conveyed.

Here's my final thought: To each his own. There is no reason to bicker and quibble over who, why, when, and where, but to each his own. I see no reason where anyone could not effectively participate on both boards and have a positive outcome. But if one must choose between the two, he/she should choose based on their primary interests, not whether or not there is a high standard for communication procedures or a relaxed or stead fast approach to those serving or have served. I ask all parties that have participated in these 'conversations' to simply take a step back and mend the problems created with a simple, "No problem." There is no reason to have petty bickering between two very informative and socially appealing boards on the internet, especially those that are oriented towards the military and the cadets that participate.

[Buffa1oso1di3r]

And here comes the ever-wise Trublu, stating what everyone already knows. :P

Lol, just kidding, very nice post, brother. :)

[TruBlu]

LOL! While everyone should know the difference between the two and should leave it be if they don't have nice, or at least neutral, things to say, I feel it was necessary. Maybe the squabbling will cease, maybe it won't, but it (my response) should at least provoke a second thought before hitting that "Submit Reply" button.

[StarLifter]

We seriously have this problem again? :( As Blue said, just let it be. If you're going to be involved in one forum, be involved in one forum. If you're going to be involved in both, good for you and fine by me, but remember where you are when you're posting such. This is Grunt's, and there is, well, there. There's absolutely no need to be causing drama, real or imagined, over differences in 'mission goals,' so to speak.

"You're my boy, Blue!" :p

[C/SSGT Seifer]

I agree with you TruBlue. Each forum has its own objectives. I started this thread, simply to point out that there is another JROTC site and it has become a giant "burn-fest." Each site now has a thread that is just dissing the other. Can a mod please close this thread.

[Billyd]

Ask and ye shall receive.