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Airbourne Infantry
01-22-2009, 01:20 AM
A Color Guard team is getting up and running within my Group and, quite honestly, those on the team are clueless. The team is falling under both drill teams (armed and unarmed) in the sense that they practice with us and are considered part of the same group but those on the team have never competed in ANYTHING and don't know what they're doing. My instructors realize this and have pulled me from the armed team to help coach them. I have an idea of what color guards are supposed to look like but not one for competitions. So far, we're doing everything by ear but we have a big hurdle in the way of the "sling/unsling arms" command. We're using demilitarized M1 Garands and saying that they've been "used" is an understatement. Has anyone else done anything like this before? If so, what did you do?

Drill for life
01-22-2009, 06:58 AM
My unit's Color Guard uses demilitarized M1's. You should have a command sheet.

I was posting a video but I couldn't find it(found it monday) so when I find it I will post. It is a competition Color Guard.

TruBlu
01-22-2009, 08:11 AM
As far as uniforms go, standard service dress with honor guard caps and harnesses is best. Don't go dressing up the uniform, there is no need. Also, de-mil rifles are perfectly acceptable (in my corps, preferred).

Check the field manuals for drill movements; FM 22-5 is the most current for the AFJROTC I believe. Also, cross reference those manuals to the SOP that you receive for competition and you will be able to gain knowledge of all your movements. The only one that you may find hazy is the un-casing and re-casing of the colors. I have never done it personally, but later I will do a little more research and see what I can come up with.

Here is a list of search results in YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=afjrotc+color+guard&aq=0&oq=afjrotc+color+. Check out that and that is how you may or may not need to look, but I'm sure you will know the difference.

ColorGuardFreak
01-22-2009, 05:20 PM
As far as uniforms go, standard service dress with honor guard caps and harnesses is best. Don't go dressing up the uniform, there is no need. Also, de-mil rifles are perfectly acceptable (in my corps, preferred).

Check the field manuals for drill movements; FM 22-5 is the most current for the AFJROTC I believe. Also, cross reference those manuals to the SOP that you receive for competition and you will be able to gain knowledge of all your movements. The only one that you may find hazy is the un-casing and re-casing of the colors. I have never done it personally, but later I will do a little more research and see what I can come up with.

Here is a list of search results in YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=afjrotc+color+guard&aq=0&oq=afjrotc+color+. Check out that and that is how you may or may not need to look, but I'm sure you will know the difference.

For AFJROTC, you need to use AFMAN 36-2203, which is the correct manual for your service. Below is a link to the correct document.

LINK (http://drillpad.net/Regs/afman36-2203.pdf)

First, a few questions that will hopefully help clarify the situation so we can tailor the information to your needs.

1. Is this team competing at a competition within it's own category (not competing WITH the Drill teams, but against other Color Guard teams.)?

2. Who is in command of the team (within the Wing Chain of Command)?

3. How many Cadets are on the team (there should be at least 4, but there can be more)?

Because it sounds like you're coming from a dead start, which is exactly how I learned Color Guard, start working as a team and just marching around. Like Drill, Color Guard is all about precision. Our motto used to be "4 Cadets, 1`Heartbeat", and that's what you need. To start out, have the rifles practice their movements facing each other, and have the flags working separately doing the same thing. Get the timing down perfectly. Then put the team into the line-abreast formation, and do it in front of a mirror. Get to where you are all on the exact time. Then start moving in the formation without your equipment. A flagpole (sans flag) is a great tool for getting your alignment correct.

TruBlu was correct in that you should receive either a manual, or at least the rubric that will be used to grade your performance. In/On there should be a command sheet that explains the movements you will be expected to perform, possibly including reporting in. The Command sequence we used to have to go through is as follows (Remember, these are AJROTC Commands, consult the aforementioned manual, or your ASI/SASI for translations to AFJROTC Commands):

Color Guard, Attention.
Carry, Colors
Forward, March,
Left Wheel, March
Forward, March
Mark Time, March
Color Guard, Halt
Present, Arms
(Report in here)
Order, Arms
Colors Reverse, March (Counter Column, March?)
Forward, March
Colors Reverse, March
Mark Time, March
Color Guard, Halt
Uncarry, Colors
Parade, Rest
(Pause)
Color Guard, Attention
Carry, Colors
Right Wheel, March
Forward, March
Left Wheel, March
Forward, March
Colors Reverse, March
Right Wheel, March
Forward, March
Eyes, Right (As you pass the Head Judge)
Ready, Front
Mark Time, March
Color Guard, Halt
Uncarry, Colors
Color Guard, Fall Out.

It seems like a lot, but I can remember it after not touching a flag for 3 years, and it just takes doing it to remember it.

Try to answer the questions above, and I'll try to dredge up a few more tricks that might help you out.

-CGF

armysc_25b
01-22-2009, 05:33 PM
FM 22-5 is the most current for the AFJROTC I believe.

And just an FYI for those who know FM 22-5, it was replaced years ago by the updated FM 3-21.5.

Airbourne Infantry
01-22-2009, 11:26 PM
Yes, the color guard team will be competing against other color guard teams, it just falls under both drill teams. And yes, we're starting from a dead start. It's being commanded by a C/SSgt. who's never done this kind of thing. I'm not saying she can't do it, just that she needs to learn fast. They have a sequence to work with and memorize for the competitions but no idea how to perform some of the movements the "right" way if there is one. Keep in mind though, I'm not a part of this color guard team, I just get pulled from my armed drill team during practices to teach them what little I know about color guards. Which, by the way, can someone explain that one to me. jk

TruBlu
01-23-2009, 08:06 AM
Man I got denied on this one lol! I think I'll take a step back and leave this one to a more knowledgeable set.

ColorGuardFreak
01-23-2009, 01:56 PM
The "right" way to conduct the movements should all be outlined in the AFMAN i provided for you earlier. That's your service's version of FM 3-21.5, which contains everything we needed to know for Color Guard when I was in AJROTC.

Another good idea might be to try to visit another program (same service preferably) that you'll be competing against. Ask your ASI to contact theirs, and see if you can set up a visit where you can discuss the CG with their team. Have the teams meet and greet, and just compare notes. We had that happen a few times when I was competing, and it's no big deal. As much as we all want to beat each other you don't ever really want a team to fall flat on it's face and just embarrass themselves.

Your Instructors should also be able to give you some guidance. During their careers I'm sure they've seen Color Guards perform, and while they probably don't remember all the nuance and exact movements, hopefully the general idea is still with them, but really, your best bet is the manuals and the information that explains the rules of your competitions.

RegMaster
01-25-2009, 01:38 PM
I'm the Drill Team XO for my unit and we got 1st place European Color Guard Team last year. (My unit is in an American school in Germany, hence the European.) But main point, I know I have the CG command list somewhere around here. FOUND IT!

Fall IN
Forward MARCH
Half Left About MARCH
Colors HALT (This is all before scoring and the timing.)
Present ARMS (report in to head judge)
Order ARMS
Sling ARMS
Guards POST ( you can find this whole part in AF Man 36-2001)
Uncase Colors (" same as above")
Present ARMS
Order ARMS
Guards Post (auto un-sling at the end of this move)
Forward MARCH
Half Left About MARCH
Forward MARCH
Colors HALT
Colors Reverse MARCH (In AF MAN 36-2001)
Forward MARCH
Half Right About MARCH
Forward MARCH
Half Right About MARCH
Forward MARCH
Eyes Right
Ready FRONT
Half Left About MARCH
Forward MARCH
Half Left About MARCH
Forward March
Colors HALT
Order COLORS
Parade REST
Colors ATTENTION
Carry COLORS
Forward MARCH
Half Left About MARCH
Forward MARCH
Colors HALT
Sling ARMS
Guards POST
Present ARMS
Order ARMS
Case COLORS
Guards POST (auto unsling)
Forward MARCH
Half Left About MARCH
Forward MARCH
Colors HALT (The end)
Fall OUT

(In four years I have YET to find out exactly how to do sling and unsling, but we had a cadet go to Nationals Drill Camp and he found out. My best suggestion is you just YouTube search it and find out how yourself)

Good Luck at your competition. Also consider checking that this is the same routine used at your competition.

Flyboy
01-30-2009, 12:28 AM
There are a couple of things that we do at my school that seem to help a lot (we are going to nationals this year and I am commanding the Color Guard). One easy thing to do is go to the center of a basketball court, there should be a large circle that has a diameter just about the same as a CG at proper close interval, from there you can have all of your cadets set down their equipment and hold a flag pole horizontally and do wheels/abouts (depending on what your conference uses). The circle helps make sure that your pivot point is not moving and the pole allows you to tell if anyone is falling back or pushing forward. While doing the wheels make sure to count out the steps (I don't believe there is a set amount as we do 8 counts on every other foot and another school we compete with does 4 counts), this will help everyone to remain in cadence and on step.

To make sure that you are all remaining in time with each other you can do an exercise we call "mirroring". Have all of your cadets form up in a square with about 8-10 feet between people opposite of each other, with the two guards facing each other and the two flags facing each other. While here run through all of the commands in your routine, this allows your guards to see each other and keep in time, as well as your state to see you and keep in time. It is probably smart to count out loud here too. You can also see if there are any problems like excessive movement in this type of formation. We typically mirror for 5 to 10 minutes at the begining of every practice and before every performance.

Technically, to sling arms, you only need to do it in a professional manner. What we do is put the heel of the rifle on the top of the belt with the rifle facing 45 degrees up and 45 degrees to the right. Then you can grab the end of the sling going through the clamp and pull it out, releasing the clamp, readjust the clamp and tighten it. Then push your arm though the sling and the rifle up onto your shoulder. Taking it off, do just the opposite. Play around and see what works best for the people in your team.

In the end Color Guard comes down to practicing often and being anal retensive. Don't be afraid to measure steps, check alignment every couple of steps, calling cadence, counting movements and wheels/abouts, and having an alternate. An alternate will not only allow you to have a backup incase someone gets hurt, but they can watch your team and correct alignment, flag alignment, cadence, step size, and movements.

Drill Aerobatica
02-02-2009, 02:07 AM
Look in the AFM 3-21.5 for color guard/ armed drill needs.

the command sling and unsling arms is really a command that is up to the imagination of the commander when it comes to the movements.

I would also try (along with following the manual to the "T") make every move as snappy as possible. That can separate you from the rest.

Drillucination
02-02-2009, 02:21 AM
Has anyone figured out how to properly execute Colors Reverse?

armysc_25b
02-02-2009, 02:23 AM
Has anyone figured out how to properly execute Colors Reverse?
The last time I looked in FM 3-21.5 (which has been a while), I believe the section for Color Guard directed how the movement was done for situations with 3 to 7 personnel.

Drillucination
02-02-2009, 02:38 AM
I have looked in FM 3-21.5 many times, over and over again, and yet schools do it differently. That and other sections of the FM is a bit open ended. I actually have a liking to the MC FM for CG.

armysc_25b
02-02-2009, 02:46 AM
As far as competitions go that follow FM 3-21.5, if schools aren't following the action directed in the FM, they should be docked points for the incorrect movement and informed about this. I remember there being enough instances of Colors Reverse in the competition drill sequence that if a school received no points for it each time they would automatically be out of the running for the top spots.

ColorGuardFreak
02-02-2009, 07:06 PM
With all the direction being pointed towards FM 3-21.5, I'd like to remind everyone here that this thread is regarding an AFJROTC program, and as such, falls outside the jurisdiction of FM 3-21.5. As I mentioned in my first post, the correct manual is AFMAN 36-2203. Chapter 7, section E outlines the specific movements executed by a Color Guard.

To address Drillunciation's question, using the AFMAN, look up section 4.16 and it tells you exactly how to do it within AF regulations.

Using FM 3-21.5, look up Chapter 7 (Platoon Drill), section 11 (Changing the Direction of a Column), and read until you see a "Counter Column March". That's what you're looking for.

Or, alternatively, using FM 3-21.5, look up Chapter 15 (Colors), section 10 (Movement of a Four Man Color Guard to the Rear), and follow the instructions.

There are manuals for a reason cadets, everything you need to know is in there. They're available online for you to use and look up. I recommend downloading the ones that are applicable to your JROTC and just saving it on your desktop to it's always there to reference. If you've looked (and be honest with yourself here), and can't find it, then ask. All of this that I've found took maybe a total of 5 minutes. You just need to put in the effort.

zoli_bond93
04-02-2009, 04:20 PM
A Color Guard team is getting up and running within my Group and, quite honestly, those on the team are clueless. The team is falling under both drill teams (armed and unarmed) in the sense that they practice with us and are considered part of the same group but those on the team have never competed in ANYTHING and don't know what they're doing. My instructors realize this and have pulled me from the armed team to help coach them. I have an idea of what color guards are supposed to look like but not one for competitions. So far, we're doing everything by ear but we have a big hurdle in the way of the "sling/unsling arms" command. We're using demilitarized M1 Garands and saying that they've been "used" is an understatement. Has anyone else done anything like this before? If so, what did you do?

At my school, we use the M1903 Springfields or the Mark-1 M1903's. We prefer to use the M1903's. Use any rifle that you Enlisted Instructor wishes you to use/whichever the drill manual wants you to use. Now for the sling/unsling arms can be done many ways. I've seen teams just "pop out" the weapon and rest it on their thigh and fix the sling. I've seen others do a master spin and catch it on their foot and fix the sling. Again i don't know what your drill manual calls for, but at the European Drill Competition, every school had a different way to do their sling up. What i suggest you do is ask your Enlisted Instructor and get answers from him. If not, do what the teams feels they can do. As for uniforms, at my school we have a requirement for Service Uniform and ascots at a bare minimum. Most of the time we do service uniform, ascots, gloves, and crome domes/white helmets. And if your school can afford it, service uniform with honor guard stripe, ascots, gloves, service cap with honor guard stripe, and honor guard silver shoulder cord.

zoli_bond93
04-02-2009, 04:26 PM
Has anyone figured out how to properly execute Colors Reverse?

Yes. I will explain it to you for a four-man CG according to the USAF Regulation Drill manual we use. The US flag executes a left face (2 counts), steps foward (one count), another left face (2 counts), and goes to mark time. The USAF/Unit colors executes a 1 step foward march, right face, 1 step foward march, right face, 1 step foward march, and an automatic mark time. The USAF guard follows his colors with 1 step, right, foward march 3 steps, right, foward 1, halt, marktime. The US guard fowards up 2 steps, left faces, fowards 3 steps, left faces, fowards 2 steps and finally a marktime. In the end, the movement should last no more than 10 seconds if done in quicktime. It will look very sharp also.

Justify
04-02-2009, 07:12 PM
A Color Guard team is getting up and running within my Group and, quite honestly, those on the team are clueless. The team is falling under both drill teams (armed and unarmed) in the sense that they practice with us and are considered part of the same group but those on the team have never competed in ANYTHING and don't know what they're doing. My instructors realize this and have pulled me from the armed team to help coach them. I have an idea of what color guards are supposed to look like but not one for competitions. So far, we're doing everything by ear but we have a big hurdle in the way of the "sling/unsling arms" command. We're using demilitarized M1 Garands and saying that they've been "used" is an understatement. Has anyone else done anything like this before? If so, what did you do?

My unt has has to change our CCG regs three times this year because our instructors are idiots. I'll give you the "correct," way to do it, according to our enlisted instructor, but I need to know exactly what you need.

Billyd
04-02-2009, 08:17 PM
And that will close this thread. Justify, you WILL NOT DISPARAGE THOSE THAT HAVE SERVED HONORABLY! IS THAT CLEAR?